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Deshaun Watson: Third Highest Paid QB in the AFC North (OUT for 2023)

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Based on everything I’ve seen. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Josh Herbert are better than Baker, but also not good enough to win a Super Bowl.
 
letgocavs said:
I could write out a long post about footwork, vision, accuracy, but i don't have the time. I've got the eye for talent. When I watch highlights if they're special they pop immediately. Watson didn't do that for me. I don't care what the stats or what anyone says to me. It's my gut feeling from watching football for twenty years and studying qbs. I knew weeden would suck, when everyone said he wouldn't, but I've been wrong. Thought manziel would succeed. This won't work. Now whether you want to blame stefanski or not, what you saw Friday is how this offense will look. Passing wise at least.
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Players schemed wide open down the field? Because that's what I saw multiple times on Friday in the very limited number of throws Watson actually took.
 
Mr. Orange said:
I don’t even need to see David Bell play and I know he is better than Schwartz
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I watched every snap of his career, David Bell has amazing hands, for sure he is better than Schwartz although he is slow for a NFL receiver.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Why do you think repeatedly saying this with absolutely no basis is even worthwhile?

If all you've seen of a player is highlights, you should probably go watch more of that player before feeling confident enough to repeatedly post your take on a message board.

For what it's worth, I have Watson behind these guys:
  • Rodgers
  • Brady
  • Mahomes
  • Josh Allen
  • Joe Burrow
And somewhere in a group of these guys:
  • Dak
  • Herbert
  • Stafford
  • Russ
  • Lamar Jackson
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I am not convinced on Burrow just yet, and I think Herbert is borderline in that top group too. But other than that, i am there with you.
 
Lee said:
I am not convinced on Burrow just yet, and I think Herbert is borderline in that top group too. But other than that, i am there with you.
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Honestly, Herbert was in that top group when I first made the post, and I edited it to put him in the second group before you responded.

I think Herbert puts himself in the top group this year--but I don't think he's done it yet. His highs are as high as anyone, but he isn't as consistent as I want to see.
 
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JDailey23 said:
Based on everything I’ve seen. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Josh Herbert are better than Baker, but also not good enough to win a Super Bowl.
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I would also like to piggyback on this and say that both Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco are good enough to win a Super Bowl and Dan Marino and Jim Kelly are NOT good enough to win a Super Bowl.
 
I hate to say it, but Burrow should be much better this year than last year. Even if he improves marginally as an individual, his offensive line jumped from below average to a top five squad.

Quarterback tiers:

Top: Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Brady - these guys run the league.

Franchise Guys: Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Watson (off-field stuff kills him) Nobody will talk about their jobs in jeopardy even after a bad year.

Solid starters: D. Carr, Prescott, R. Wilson, L. Jackson - There is enough reason for concern to separate them from the Franchise title.

Middle of the road starters with upside: K. Murray, Mac Jones, Hurts, Lawrence - Others below them might hold them off, but they are young enough to have a higher ceiling.

Middle of nowhere starters: Cousins, Ryan, Tannehill, Jimmy G., Goff, Wentz - more likely to bottom out than rise up.

Young with pressure: Mayfield, Fields, T. Lance, Tagovailoa, Z. Wilson, D. Mills, D. Jones - my money is on Lance and Fields to separate and rise.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Young with pressure: Mayfield, Fields, T. Lance, Tagovailoa, Z. Wilson, D. Mills, D. Jones - my money is on Lance and Fields to separate and rise.
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It's ironic you mention Lance and Fields because both are in tremendously different situations.

Lance has a great offensive coach, two amazing weapons in Kittle and Samuel, the best LT in football, and a very solid run game. Everything is there for him to succeed

Fields on the other hand. Struggled tremendously last season, first time head coach (defensive background, FWIW), and the Bears did next to nothing in the offseason to improve his already weak supporting cast. Feel like his success will really live or die with his new offensive coordinator, Luke Getsy, who spent the last 3 seasons with Aaron Rodgers.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I hate to say it, but Burrow should be much better this year than last year. Even if he improves marginally as an individual, his offensive line jumped from below average to a top five squad.

Quarterback tiers:

Top: Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Brady - these guys run the league.

Franchise Guys: Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Watson (off-field stuff kills him) Nobody will talk about their jobs in jeopardy even after a bad year.

Solid starters: D. Carr, Prescott, R. Wilson, L. Jackson - There is enough reason for concern to separate them from the Franchise title.

Middle of the road starters with upside: K. Murray, Mac Jones, Hurts, Lawrence - Others below them might hold them off, but they are young enough to have a higher ceiling.

Middle of nowhere starters: Cousins, Ryan, Tannehill, Jimmy G., Goff, Wentz - more likely to bottom out than rise up.

Young with pressure: Mayfield, Fields, T. Lance, Tagovailoa, Z. Wilson, D. Mills, D. Jones - my money is on Lance and Fields to separate and rise.
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Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson should be green. There's absolutely no way that Justin Herbert should be green if they aren't also.

Kirk Cousins should be yellow. Mac Jones, Hurts, and Lawrence should all be purple.
 
Hurts, Lawrence, and Tua should be in their own category- wait and see.

First season Hurts has an actual go-to guy.
First season Lawrence will have a legit RB, and a competent coach.
First season Tua will have both a go to (to a degree Waddle last year, and he made the most) and a beneficial scheme.


But let’s talk about Kyler for a second, as someone who has probably seen him the most on the board.

Kyler has tier one arm talent, and bottom tier will to do things for the benefit of the team. It’s not a talent thing. Kyler wants so bad to be a pocket QB, and to do so, they have to entirely change the scheme. I hate Kliff so fucking much, but in the Colt McCoy games last year (outside of Panthers, they fell behind early and couldn’t recover) and in preseason this week, the scheme is so much better with the QB under center. Same concepts. The run game looked different, the blocking looked different, the protection schemes that stupidly leave guards on islands worked better.

Kyler’s worst asset is his brain, and Kliff’s unwillingness to tell him to get under center. The game will be so much easier for him, and it’ll allow him to really let the arm shine.

For comparison, I think with Deshaun, Kevin is going to use the athleticism to benefit the scheme whereas Kyler is easily the most athletic QB, but Kliff hides it by allowing himself to choke in the pocket.
 
adam81king said:
Lamar Jackson would like a word. Definitely not "easily the most athletic QB."
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I strongly disagree, and I don’t necessarily think it’s close. Kyler in space is on a different planet than Lamar because not only is he straight line fast, he’s agile. His change of direction takes people of their shoes, and it shows when routinely takes shoes.

Lamar might be the better running QB from a can run 8-12 times and be okay long term, but Kyler is a freak.
 
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