Do you re-sign Andre Drummond? How much?

[sailfish]

Overpaying players who play a style the NBA is not heading too and aren't elite in that role as well is how you screw up a rebuild before it starts. Until Drummond shows he is willing to play a reasonable role in the offense, without the crazy cross overs and off the dribble 3s and post touches, and stop gambling hard on defense, he is a 3/45m player and no more. Anyone who thinks he is worth a max is beyond delusional. Even if he plays the way that would maximize his skillset, I am not spending more than 25m a year on that player. There are maybe 2 max worthy centers in the NBA, and Embiid only if he can stay healthy. Drummond is several tiers below that. I would rather have Capela.

There’s Jokic, KAT, & Embiid then there’s a pretty big drop off at center. Gobert isn’t on that class and he isn’t worth the contract he signed. He is now an untradeable player at over $40M/year & at a position that is becoming increasingly devalued in today’s NBA.

 

[chuck0609]

Overpaying players who play a style the NBA is not heading too and aren't elite in that role as well is how you screw up a rebuild before it starts. Until Drummond shows he is willing to play a reasonable role in the offense, without the crazy cross overs and off the dribble 3s and post touches, and stop gambling hard on defense, he is a 3/45m player and no more. Anyone who thinks he is worth a max is beyond delusional. Even if he plays the way that would maximize his skillset, I am not spending more than 25m a year on that player. There are maybe 2 max worthy centers in the NBA, and Embiid only if he can stay healthy. Drummond is several tiers below that. I would rather have Capela.

how do you plan on getting Capela. You simply don’t have options. That’s the issue as to why you have to overpay.

 

[Los216]

There’s Jokic, KAT, & Embiid then there’s a pretty big drop off at center. Gobert isn’t on that class and he isn’t worth the contract he signed. He is now an untradeable player at over $40M/year & at a position that is becoming increasingly devalued in today’s NBA.

How is Gobert now worth the contract he signed? He's a top 5 defensive player and those contracts are specifically designed for teams like The Jazz to keep their own players. If he didn't sign with The Jazz another team was gonna sign him.

We have to stop think that the NBA is filled with players who are either All Stars or bust. There is definitely a middle class in the NBA and for small market teams like Utah that means you'll more than likely be paying a premium to keep your best players other wise another team is gonna pay them and when they do everybody is gonna clown Utah and ask why they didn't pay Gobert.

Andre Drummond is not playing on a vet minimum or MLE deal next season. Cavs fans are delusional if they think because of what we traded for him that he's going to be a cheap get in the offseason.

What if The Pistons and Cavs suck at trades? We're clowning DET for what they traded Drummond for but we essentially traded Kyrie Irving for Jae Crowder while we were still making a run. Don't make excuses for our horrible trades and try to clown other teams. The Pistons got clowned for what they did in Free Agency this year too so why are we judging Drummond based on what two teams who don't know how to execute trades for star players did?

 

[JJ_PR]

How is Gobert now worth the contract he signed? He's a top 5 defensive player and those contracts are specifically designed for teams like The Jazz to keep their own players. If he didn't sign with The Jazz another team was gonna sign him.

We have to stop think that the NBA is filled with players who are either All Stars or bust. There is definitely a middle class in the NBA and for small market teams like Utah that means you'll more than likely be paying a premium to keep your best players other wise another team is gonna pay them and when they do everybody is gonna clown Utah and ask why they didn't pay Gobert.

Andre Drummond is not playing on a vet minimum or MLE deal next season. Cavs fans are delusional if they think because of what we traded for him that he's going to be a cheap get in the offseason.

What if The Pistons and Cavs suck at trades? We're clowning DET for what they traded Drummond for but we essentially traded Kyrie Irving for Jae Crowder while we were still making a run. Don't make excuses for our horrible trades and try to clown other teams. The Pistons got clowned for what they did in Free Agency this year too so why are we judging Drummond based on what two teams who don't know how to execute trades for star players did?

Exactly. Just because Detroit gave him away for free doesn't mean he has no value. He brings so many things this team lacked last year. Rim protection, an enforcer, a low post threat etc.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I love what Drummond brings and he and his agent know he is not a max player! If that was the case he wouldn’t have opted into his contract this year! There is no “devaluing” a player who rebounds, blocks/alters shots and can score inside! Is he the type of center of today’s NBA? No....not at all! But that doesn’t mean he has no place in the league! Put very good players around Drummond and you guys will be happy we kept him.

 

[foucault87]

I don't disagree that Drummond has value. But I don't think he is worth as much as the average wing. Why would I pay 20m for Drummond who I can't play in the playoffs when I could pay McGee 5m for the same role. I stand by what I said earlier, until he shows he is willing to actually do things that help a team win basketball games, he should not be paid more than Clint Capela. And Capela does a better job of playing his role anyway.

How is Gobert now worth the contract he signed? He's a top 5 defensive player and those contracts are specifically designed for teams like The Jazz to keep their own players. If he didn't sign with The Jazz another team was gonna sign him.

We have to stop think that the NBA is filled with players who are either All Stars or bust. There is definitely a middle class in the NBA and for small market teams like Utah that means you'll more than likely be paying a premium to keep your best players other wise another team is gonna pay them and when they do everybody is gonna clown Utah and ask why they didn't pay Gobert.

So, two things:

First, Gobert is absolutely not worth a max. He is the best defensive center in the league and underrated on offense. He also has maybe 2 more years of high level play left. You can't play him late in the playoffs when smallball teams will just run him off the court. That contract is going to be an absolute albatross in 3 years.

Second, yes there is a middle class in the NBA but you don't pay people in the middle class like they are in the upper class. That is how you get stupid shit like the Tobias Harris contract. I like Harris but the guy is not an all star and makes more than half the all stars. Utah made a big mistake paying that much for Gobert, the Cavs made the same mistake extending Love. They need to not repeat the mistake with Drummond.


I think there are too many people who think things in the NBA are valued the same way they were 10 years ago. The most valuable position in the league right now are big wings. The least valuable are centers. Unless you are a center who is so absolutely skilled you break the game (Jokic, KAT, Embiid, maybe Ayton in 3 years, Bam?), that player is not a max player.

 

[Kizzle]

I agree,but I have a feeling we might trade him because he thinks he's the star on the team..He just freelances too much for my liking...You can't have that when you're trying to build an identity.

This would make sense if he was surrounded by capable players

 

[Murph]

I reckon Drummond does add wins for us, he wouldn't add wins to a decent team but to a lower team he does. I reckon that was pretty evident by how many games Pistons won following his departure

How do you know Drummond would not add wins to a decent team? He's never played on a decent team in his entire career.

Regardless, based on their last pre-season game, the Cavs are not yet a decent team anyway. Therefore, by your logic, Drummond will help the Cavs. I agree.

 

[Murph]

This would make sense if he was surrounded by capable players

From what I saw in the pre-season games, Drummond makes the players around him better. Garland certainly played better with Drummond. In fact, in the early pre-season games, Garland looked as if he had made a giant step from last season.

My point is, with Drummond in the line-up, the Cavs do have decent players to surround him with. Sexton, Okoro, Nance, Osman, Love, Garland...maybe Porter.

 

[guitarguy]

From what I saw in the pre-season games, Drummond makes the players around him better. Garland certainly played better with Drummond. In fact, in the early pre-season games, Garland looked as if he had made a giant step from last season.

My point is, with Drummond in the line-up, the Cavs do have decent players to surround him with. Sexton, Okoro, Nance, Osman, Love, Garland...maybe Porter.

I noticed this too. For me, there was a big drop off from Drummond to McGee. Perhaps it was just the one game, but Drummond does take up a lot of space, seems the overall team does better with him on the floor. I guess we'll see over the season.

I know the league is going away from big men right now, but it always ebbs and flows, you get a few generational bigs in the league, all of the sudden the league shifts again. Like when you gets someone like Steph launching 3s from half court, now the rest of the league does it, because it was successful. I guess I'm just saying you get another Shaq/Hakeem/ etc... type player dominating games, and all of the sudden the league will be going away from wings, ha. I don't think you have to follow the current model to win a championship, you just build the best team out of the players you can get.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I'm waiting to see Drummond on the floor with Love, Sexton, Porter, and Nance or Okoro. Or just some combination of Sexton, Porter, or Garland at guard, Love or Nance at PF, and Okoro or Cedi at SF.

 

[JJ_PR]

Money shouldn't be an issue, especially for Dan Gilbert. We need to lock him up long term. His impact on the floor is huge.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I noticed this too. For me, there was a big drop off from Drummond to McGee. Perhaps it was just the one game, but Drummond does take up a lot of space, seems the overall team does better with him on the floor. I guess we'll see over the season.

I know the league is going away from big men right now, but it always ebbs and flows, you get a few generational bigs in the league, all of the sudden the league shifts again. Like when you gets someone like Steph launching 3s from half court, now the rest of the league does it, because it was successful. I guess I'm just saying you get another Shaq/Hakeem/ etc... type player dominating games, and all of the sudden the league will be going away from wings, ha. I don't think you have to follow the current model to win a championship, you just build the best team out of the players you can get.
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Well said! The game has changed but that doesn’t mean you go complete away from could be your team’s strength! If you have a big man that’s able to punish teams inside and get their “wing” and “small ball” players in foul trouble you do it!

 

[cabs]

How do you know Drummond would not add wins to a decent team? He's never played on a decent team in his entire career.

Regardless, based on their last pre-season game, the Cavs are not yet a decent team anyway. Therefore, by your logic, Drummond will help the Cavs. I agree.

He’d take the ball away from players that are better than him because he is a high usage Center

 

[foucault87]

Yeah, but when my center shoots under 50% from the line, I would rather have him chuck 3s than shoot FTs...