Donovan Mitchell: All-NBA BEST Team

[Cavatt]

I don't think people are thinking that Koby didn't value Lauri but that he didn't have a proper value on him. Like you said the pick compensation was tough, if Koby was giving up someone of Lauri's value and the contract he was under, the pick and other players in the compensation shouldn't have been what it was. I think when you add up everything we gave up for Mitchell, alot of us view it was way too much.

The other part of it was it was an all in trade when we didn't have the pieces left over for a good enough rotation to make that type of all in trade. The path forward with the assets we have to upgrade this roster doesn't give us many options. People like to bring up that we aren't a free agent destination when bring up in favor of the Mitchell trade but it also cuts the other way too. We aren't a free agent destination and to have to rely on free agency to build out our roster going forward because we lack assets is going to be real hard.

Too often we get into back and forwards about Mitchell vs Lauri or Mitchell Vs Sexton or Mitchell vs the draft picks we gave up. At the end of the day, we gave up all those things for Mitchell and it has really limited the options for this organization going forward.

I don't expect the pick swaps to matter come time. Utah will likely not cash those in unless they get really good faster than the Cavs. Possible, but not likely.

The problem with those swaps is they are not available for trades until draft night, so there is a problem that it cost us flexibility.

3 picks for Donovan isn't too much. 3 picks plus Sexton and Ochai isn't too much. 3 picks plus 2022 Lauri, Ochai, and Sexton isn't too much. 3 picks plus 2023 Lauri, Ochai and Sexton is probably too much. It should have been 2 picks and 2 swaps. That's all hindsight IMO and completely pointless.

Koby knew he was hurting the spacing by Trading 3 shooters for 1 on a team that already had spacing issues. I think he also knew it would take him more than one year to get them. I think he also was not surprised at all about how the postseason went. He seemed more realistic than most posters here knowing a lot of teams get spanked their first foray into the postseason. If they are caught so flat footed next year there will be bigger changes.

Biggest issue I have with the trade is Lauri is the perfect big rotation with Mobley and Allen. Lauri really improved the versatility of lineups he would have been better at the 3 this year IMO.

I thought that was mitigated for a short time with Love, but now we are down 2 stretch bigs, which SUCKS. Fingers crossed that jumper Isaiah showed us is real.

 

[Green Lantern]

I don't expect the pick swaps to matter come time. Utah will likely not cash those in unless they get really good faster than the Cavs. Possible, but not likely.

The problem with those swaps is they are not available for trades until draft night, so there is a problem that it cost us flexibility.

3 picks for Donovan isn't too much. 3 picks plus Sexton and Ochai isn't too much. 3 picks plus 2022 Lauri, Ochai, and Sexton isn't too much. 3 picks plus 2023 Lauri, Ochai and Sexton is probably too much. It should have been 2 picks and 2 swaps. That's all hindsight IMO and completely pointless.

Koby knew he was hurting the spacing by Trading 3 shooters for 1 on a team that already had spacing issues. I think he also knew it would take him more than one year to get them. I think he also was not surprised at all about how the postseason went. He seemed more realistic than most posters here knowing a lot of teams get spanked their first foray into the postseason. If they are caught so flat footed next year there will be bigger changes.

Biggest issue I have with the trade is Lauri is the perfect big rotation with Mobley and Allen. Lauri really improved the versatility of lineups he would have been better at the 3 this year IMO.

I thought that was mitigated for a short time with Love, but now we are down 2 stretch bigs, which SUCKS. Fingers crossed that jumper Isaiah showed us is real.

While I agree in part, the thought process he had of standing pat was wrong..he knew JBB didn't trust his bench ,even though he was partly to blame on how he used them, so he should have tried to bring in another body to help with rebounding and some shooting even if the coach didn't want it.
My concern is not just for that and getting a wing player..but Mitchell..I did not like what I was reading about him and NY and it definitely has me thinking he isn't going to stick around after next year..so Altman needs to get ready to make some moves.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

While I agree in part, the thought process he had of standing pat was wrong..he knew JBB didn't trust his bench ,even though he was partly to blame on how he used them, so he should have tried to bring in another body to help with rebounding and some shooting even if the coach didn't want it.
My concern is not just for that and getting a wing player..but Mitchell..I did not like what I was reading about him and NY and it definitely has me thinking he isn't going to stick around after next year..so Altman needs to get ready to make some moves.

Well, he’s under contract for two more years, so the only way he isn’t around after next year is if he’s traded or decides to hold out the final year of his contract. It’s pretty simple. He’s either going to sign an extension next summer or he’s going to get traded.

I guess he could get flipped at the deadline this year, but about the only way I see that happening is if the Cavs get an offer they absolutely can’t refuse, there’s mass injuries on the team and the Cavs just try to tank with their pick, or Mobley turns into an MVP candidate overnight and Mitchell no longer fits (for whatever reason). All of those scenarios seem highly unlikely. I’d give mass injuries to the team causing the Cavs to suck the highest probability, but the reality is Mitchell would be one of the guys that’d have to be injured for the Cavs to be that bad.

 

[Cavatt]

While I agree in part, the thought process he had of standing pat was wrong..he knew JBB didn't trust his bench ,even though he was partly to blame on how he used them, so he should have tried to bring in another body to help with rebounding and some shooting even if the coach didn't want it.
My concern is not just for that and getting a wing player..but Mitchell..I did not like what I was reading about him and NY and it definitely has me thinking he isn't going to stick around after next year..so Altman needs to get ready to make some moves.

We have Mitchell for 2 years. If next year ends as bad as this past one, they have the summer and the following deadline to move Mitchell.

I think the proof of concept is there for the core 4. They are still young and inexperienced though. Main thing needed is shooting. There are some guys on the roster already we didn't get to see last year really including Wade. I would guess all resources and trades in the summer will be going to fix the shooting and spacing. We really need at least average shooting to evaluate the roster properly.

I don't think JB is hopeless. I liked the game 2 adjustments he made, but then he kept adjusting when he didn't really have to. Same with the guys he was playing. Ok, Ricky is getting cooked take him out. We never saw Wade again. Prob should have had him spacing a lineup with Mobley at Center instead of Danny Green playing so many PF min.

JB is at the wrong point in development with his bench. He had not solidified the bench all year and he gave no indication he trusted his guys. He needs to empower his guys during the playoffs. I am ok thinking these guys got rattled and there was nothing JB could do. IF it happens again they should fire him immediately. Too much jerking guys around with minutes. Too many min for the Bigs when their guys were getting rest. No wonder Allen looked terrible the last few min of the last game. He never plays 40+ min.

Of course depth too a hit with the Donovan trade, but you can't just say you don't trust anyone but 5 players. Okoro played well and was also just jerked around because he missed his first 4 ever playoff 3's. Not cool.

 

[Green Lantern]

We have Mitchell for 2 years. If next year ends as bad as this past one, they have the summer and the following deadline to move Mitchell.

I think the proof of concept is there for the core 4. They are still young and inexperienced though. Main thing needed is shooting. There are some guys on the roster already we didn't get to see last year really including Wade. I would guess all resources and trades in the summer will be going to fix the shooting and spacing. We really need at least average shooting to evaluate the roster properly.

I don't think JB is hopeless. I liked the game 2 adjustments he made, but then he kept adjusting when he didn't really have to. Same with the guys he was playing. Ok, Ricky is getting cooked take him out. We never saw Wade again. Prob should have had him spacing a lineup with Mobley at Center instead of Danny Green playing so many PF min.

JB is at the wrong point in development with his bench. He had not solidified the bench all year and he gave no indication he trusted his guys. He needs to empower his guys during the playoffs. I am ok thinking these guys got rattled and there was nothing JB could do. IF it happens again they should fire him immediately. Too much jerking guys around with minutes. Too many min for the Bigs when their guys were getting rest. No wonder Allen looked terrible the last few min of the last game. He never plays 40+ min.

Of course depth too a hit with the Donovan trade, but you can't just say you don't trust anyone but 5 players. Okoro played well and was also just jerked around because he missed his first 4 ever playoff 3's. Not cool.

He trusted the wrong guys at the wrong time and stuck with them.
Even toward the end of the season players who should have gotten time didn't.
No plays designed for Mobley? Too much of guard play.
One thing that hasn't been spoken of too much is his tendency to let this group play out of a run when he should be taking TO's and settling them down...and that includes coaching Mitchell to stop hoisting 3's up when he's bricking them.
Cavs never attacked NY in the paint at all.
Things like that contribute to a loss. Wade wasn't mentally ready to take over Love's role. This team folded after game 2 and that shouldn't have happened. When I watched other young teams I saw a fire in their play that I didn't see in the Cavs.
Koby can't be shielded from this either, it's partly on his decision not to do anything and letting some players walk and signing others that weren't better.
No backup center...well we had one, but he plays for the Knicks..moves like that puzzle me.
Well he has this offseason to work on the roster.

 

[Cavatt]

He trusted the wrong guys at the wrong time and stuck with them.
Even toward the end of the season players who should have gotten time didn't.
No plays designed for Mobley? Too much of guard play.
One thing that hasn't been spoken of too much is his tendency to let this group play out of a run when he should be taking TO's and settling them down...and that includes coaching Mitchell to stop hoisting 3's up when he's bricking them.
Cavs never attacked NY in the paint at all.
Things like that contribute to a loss. Wade wasn't mentally ready to take over Love's role. This team folded after game 2 and that shouldn't have happened. When I watched other young teams I saw a fire in their play that I didn't see in the Cavs.
Koby can't be shielded from this either, it's partly on his decision not to do anything and letting some players walk and signing others that weren't better.
No backup center...well we had one, but he plays for the Knicks..moves like that puzzle me.
Well he has this offseason to work on the roster.

Yeah in game 2 they got the bigs in foul trouble, but we have to be honest, Cavs do not get a favorable whistle. Darius gets the shit beat out of him on the reg.

Donovan couldn't attack the paint. Was he limited sure to his groin? I dunno.

Mobley stopped doing the thing that made him successful. He shot 12 footers instead of passing to the corner. They didn't use him as a release valve when the guards were stymied.

A lot went wrong. It's hard to figure out what they should have done

 

[Jscc]

Koby can't be shielded from this either, it's partly on his decision not to do anything and letting some players walk and signing others that weren't better.

I'm not blaming Koby so much because it's JBB's judgment that determines the rotation and so far, JBB has shown: he likes a short rotation and doesn't value spacing/shooting enough [on offense or defense] enough.

After the trade deadline, Koby essentially said they didn't want to add anyone on the margins because they wouldn't have made JBB's short rotation, but there's no way to evaluate these guys if JBB's not going to play them or gives them such short rope that they can't improve. Love was a victim of this and there's nothing Koby could've done except micro-manage JBB.

Then in the playoffs, he starts throwing guys out there in roles they weren't conditioned for in combinations/lineups they never played.

Didn't mean for that come off like a rant, but I am so tired of this guy and not sure I can handle another season of it.

 

[Smooth]

Why is a New York Knick hanging out with Cavs players in the offseason?

 

[PIP]

Stirring the pot there, Smooth….Tread lightly !!! Almost as if the title of this thread should have been: “Clock Is Ticking”…..

 

[Tlyons]

Why is a New York Knick hanging out with Cavs players in the offseason?

IN LOS ANGELES?!?!?!

Mobley better not say anything nice about LA or he's definitely leaving the Cavs.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Why is a New York Knick hanging out with Cavs players in the offseason?

I’m being told Caris’ Last name is actually spelled LAvert. We’re screwed.

 

[Jscc]

Damn. Mobley, Mitchell, and LeVert are going to be Lakers.

 

[gambler]

But the inability of both the Cavs and other teams to find shooters has been going on literally for years. Every single team in the league wants more shooting, and we don't have any capspace to outbid anyone. We just have to hope they prefer our MLE to someone else's.

We also lack the trade assets to acquire meaningful talent outside of FA.

But I suppose we'll see soon enough. I just think we'll be lucky to get one plus shooter who is a rotational guy, much less a starter.

60 more days and the koby kuckholds will have nowhere to hide.....

for like myb the fourth time i dont dislike anyone here...just this koby altman character....who is just complete utter fukn ass....

i would like nothing more to come back here after two or three years after they fire this shit altman and tell you guys....

i thikn that the cavs are a great 100/1 bet to win the nba finals....

 

[gambler]

Stirring the pot there, Smooth….Tread lightly !!! Almost as if the title of this thread should have been: “Clock Is Ticking”…..

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its too bad that altman doesnt have either a watch or a calendar otherwise the cavs probably would not be in the fukd position that they currently are in.


dude just fukd up your bad ass team ...complete clown shit.....you guys need to fire this clown before he fuks up your team even more like signing 36 year old 300 pound lopez with his surgically-repaired back lopez to a 35mm contract....

 

[PIP]

Is that right ?