Drug Test

[The Oi]

Love that idea. They should do the same with marijuana abusers.

I think if you test negative they should make you smoke it.

 

[The Voice]

That's for healthcare purposes, as smokers cost significantly more per month than non-smokers.

There’s not enough data on marijuana though. There’s gotta be adverse effects from smoking it.

 

[Huber.]

I think if you test negative they should make you smoke it.

This generation has enough false idols to worship. They don't need another one in marijuana. You could argue everyone should be tested for drugs in one way or another.

 

[Jack Brickman]

There’s not enough data on marijuana though. There’s gotta be adverse effects from smoking it.

No doubt there are. However, your average weed smoker likely tokes up a couple of times a day, or takes days or even weeks off from smoking. And some of them smoke pens instead of real weed, or use edibles. Your average cigarette smoker, on the other hand, smokes constantly throughout every day. The rate of use is just so much different for the two. I just don't see how you can compare hitting a pen a couple of times a day to smoking a pack a day.

 

[Man Called X]

No doubt there are. However, your average weed smoker likely tokes up a couple of times a day, or takes days or even weeks off from smoking. And some of them smoke pens instead of real weed, or use edibles. Your average cigarette smoker, on the other hand, smokes constantly throughout every day. The rate of use is just so much different for the two. I just don't see how you can compare hitting a pen a couple of times a day to smoking a pack a day.

Honestly, your average smoker probably spends a good majority of his day stoned, but because of diminishing returns, endocannibinoid tolerance etc, you can't tell the difference. You might not be too far off from the average cigarette smoker in amount ingested.

I smoke on average a half ounce a week and maybe a pen. But let's be real, a lot of pot smokers tend to be enthusiasts, and not just casual tokers.

 

[The Oi]

This generation has enough false idols to worship. They don't need another one in marijuana. You could argue everyone should be tested for drugs in one way or another.

I think it would be a weak argument.

“Marijuana” is improving people’s lives and they pick the strain they use to specific tasks and personalities now.

People aren’t just buying unreliable crap from jackass dealers anymore.

I’d bet if we tested your parents they’d pop for weed. They probably smoke with @Chardon s mom.

 

[Lee]

Honestly, your average smoker probably spends a good majority of his day stoned, but because of diminishing returns, endocannibinoid tolerance etc, you can't tell the difference. You might not be too far off from the average cigarette smoker in amount ingested.

I smoke on average a half ounce a week and maybe a pen. But let's be real, a lot of pot smokers tend to be enthusiasts, and not just casual tokers.

Just not true. I have my MMJ card and go to the dispensary once or twice a month. When I go I talk. Now I know I am very low for a card carrier, I go days without smoking, only smoke at night when I do smoke, and use it for pain and sleep mainly unless its a weekend where I do it because I do like being high.

But I will assure most I talk to love the shit but only smoke after work. Very few I chat with are during work smokers. I know of several dozed pot smokers I have worked with, got high with many over the last couple of years, and only 3 or 4 smoke during work. Now most did smoke more than I did, but it was not an all day smoker. I get these are productive people, but most I know that are past 25 or so and smoke on a regular basis smoke far less weed than what you mentioned.

 

[Man Called X]

Just not true. I have my MMJ card and go to the dispensary once or twice a month. When I go I talk. Now I know I am very low for a card carrier, I go days without smoking, only smoke at night when I do smoke, and use it for pain and sleep mainly unless its a weekend where I do it because I do like being high.

But I will assure most I talk to love the shit but only smoke after work. Very few I chat with are during work smokers. I know of several dozed pot smokers I have worked with, got high with many over the last couple of years, and only 3 or 4 smoke during work. Now most did smoke more than I did, but it was not an all day smoker. I get these are productive people, but most I know that are past 25 or so and smoke on a regular basis smoke far less weed than what you mentioned.

Maybe I should clarify it by people that smoked regularly before the fad of MMJ took off. If you're in a medical only state and buying at a dispensary, you aren't who I'm discussing.

 

[Lee]

Maybe I should clarify it by people that smoked regularly before the fad of MMJ took off. If you're in a medical only state and buying at a dispensary, you aren't who I'm discussing.

I got my card though I could smoke legally, many casual smokers out there, more than hardcore from what I know.

 

[DonGilbert]

Update: Got the job, which was a surreal experience. Nailed the interview, and have to pass a urinalysis in 3 days. Should be ok since it's not a hair follicle test. Go Browns!

 

[The Voice]

No doubt there are. However, your average weed smoker likely tokes up a couple of times a day, or takes days or even weeks off from smoking. And some of them smoke pens instead of real weed, or use edibles. Your average cigarette smoker, on the other hand, smokes constantly throughout every day. The rate of use is just so much different for the two. I just don't see how you can compare hitting a pen a couple of times a day to smoking a pack a day.

I’m not arguing that cigarettes are probably worse for you. There’s also more frequent marijuana smokers then you. It’s just one of the key arguments to legalize it (I do think it should be legalized btw) is that it is safer and has no health effects. Hell, a decent amount argue that it’s better for you to smoke/eat marijuana then not health wise.

 

[Lee]

I’m not arguing that cigarettes are probably worse for you. There’s also more frequent marijuana smokers then you. It’s just one of the key arguments to legalize it (I do think it should be legalized btw) is that it is safer and has no health effects. Hell, a decent amount argue that it’s better for you to smoke/eat marijuana then not health wise.

Smoking weed is not as good as eating it, but personally I hate edibles.

That said, what is really sad to me is many ex NFL players with severe chronic pain from their careers use MMJ to help with pain management. They find it far useful than the addictive pain killers like Vicodin that is currently federally legal. The fact the NFL would rather get NFL players addicted to life threatening pain killers (they give them out to the players like candy) than let the players smoke weed is so fucking sad and hypocritical to me.

I am ok with keeping it illegal for recreational purposes, but it needs to be legalized for medical purposes. If you cant get a MMJ doctor to write you a script, you don't deserve the shit any ways. And keeping class 2 keeps marijuana better controlled.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So if marijuana was made legal at the federal level, you wouldn't be able to discriminate against it in the hire process. That is the point about legalizing it federally. Even if it is only legal for medical use.

Depends on what you mean by "legalize". Just because something isn't illegal under federal law doesn't mean it's legal under state law. If the Feds simply repealed the federal law criminalizing marijuana, state laws prohibiting its use could still be enforced. You'd need a federal law expressly stating that marijuana use is legal before states could be precluded from criminalizing it.

 

[Lee]

Depends on what you mean by "legalize". Just because something isn't illegal under federal law doesn't mean it's legal under state law. If the Feds simply repealed the federal law criminalizing marijuana, state laws prohibiting its use could still be enforced. You'd need a federal law expressly stating that marijuana use is legal before states could be precluded from criminalizing it.

While this is true, AZ has a law you cannot discriminate against someone who has a MMJ card. The exception is when it effects the business's federal standing because its still not legal federally or when machinery is involved.

It is illegal for me to drive a commercial truck while on painkillers. But I am not taking painkillers while working, then I am not going to lose my job because I had a legal script. This is not the case with marijuana because its illegal for medical and recreational use at the federal level.

make it a class 2 drug and its treated like pain killers. They do need better tests to figure out if you are currently high, but in the end it needs to move from class 1 to class 2. Class 1 is no medical use, highly addictive. Marijuana is neither of those, plenty of medical use, and highly addictive.

 

[MGMT]

I though they had mouth swabs for present detection? Are those proven inconclusive or ineffective at times?