Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

[EdMonix11]

It would work if you enlarge the trade..
Plesac/ Gimenez/ Daniel Johnson would be a fair deal to get Jared Walsh & Jo Adell (according to BTV)..

The Indians would have to add pieces to this.... considerably too.... for the Angels to consider this

 

[CATS44]

You might but the Indians will likely continue to give them looks... that's been their MO... and I think they should.

Mercado and H. Ramirez have hit lefties pretty well and they could both platoon somewhere. Probably don't need to keep both of them though.

Zimmer has shown enough to warrant a longer look now that he has a full season of health and (hopefully) a full offseason of health. July and August he was really good at the dish. The stats sorta cratered here in September but this is the most he's played in like four years and he might've hit a wall.

Chang hasn't gotten a ton of playing time but his OPS in the 2nd half of the season has been .858

Not saying they'll keep all of them but to think they've been awful this entire season would be disingenuous. There's been some flashes of talent there....

But over the course of the entire season they all HAVE been awful.

Tryouts are on going. They don't start and end in a few good weeks, or months.

 

[CATS44]

The Indians would have to add pieces to this.... considerably too.... for the Angels to consider this

The Angels NEED pitching.

They don't need offense.

There aren't a lot of teams willing to trade good starting pitching. There is a bigger shopping mall for hitters than for pitching.

 

[Gson]

The Angels NEED pitching.

They don't need offense.

There aren't a lot of teams willing to trade good starting pitching. There is a bigger shopping mall for hitters than for pitching.

Cats has it right.. if there is a deal to be worked with the Angels.. then the add on pieces should be guys that @MadThinker88 88 wants to keep.. (i.e. pitchers !!)..

btw... I checked the values at BTV for the deal involving Adell AND Marsh.. not even close.. I have to think the algorithmn at BTV doesn't understand lack of performance stats as they related to the true evaluation of a pitcher's ability.. especially a minor league pitcher..

 

[EdMonix11]

The Angels NEED pitching.

They don't need offense.

There aren't a lot of teams willing to trade good starting pitching. There is a bigger shopping mall for hitters than for pitching.

The Angels would be giving up the best player in the deal and the best prospect. The inclusion of Daniel Johnson does not bridge that gap.

That's great that you think the Angels need pitching. They can find a better pitcher than Zach Plesac if they dangle Walsh and/or Adell.

I sure as hell wouldn't give up Franmil Reyes and George Valera for a Zach Plesac level pitcher and neither would you.

That's basically what's being asked of the Angels.

 

[CATS44]

Again, we are seriously underestimating Plesac and his contract.

I doubt the Angels would make that deal, but they are gonna have to pay thru the nose to get a pitcher like Plesac with his contract....or they will continue to watch Trout, Ohtani, and Rendon collect money, but no pennants.

In the last six years the Angels have finished in 4th place 5 times, and have not had a winning season. Unless they do something dramatic with their pitching, the run will continue...and the asset they have for trades is offense.

But for me its a moot point, because the Angels don't really have anything I'm looking for.

 

[CATS44]

As GM of the Guardians, I have a shopping list. Its not completed yet, but I do have a few names...

Laureano
Reynolds
Mullins
Tommy Edman

Although in somewhat different ways, they all fit the profile of what I'm looking for to enhance what I have now.

 

[sportscoach]

The Angels would be giving up the best player in the deal and the best prospect. The inclusion of Daniel Johnson does not bridge that gap.

That's great that you think the Angels need pitching. They can find a better pitcher than Zach Plesac if they dangle Walsh and/or Adell.

I sure as hell wouldn't give up Franmil Reyes and George Valera for a Zach Plesac level pitcher and neither would you.

That's basically what's being asked of the Angels.

If you were the GM of the Angels, and I wanted Walsh and Adell or at least one of them and my main player in the deal was Plesac, how would you counter?

 

[Urban]

Again, we are seriously underestimating Plesac and his contract.

I doubt the Angels would make that deal, but they are gonna have to pay thru the nose to get a pitcher like Plesac with his contract....or they will continue to watch Trout, Ohtani, and Rendon collect money, but no pennants.

In the last six years the Angels have finished in 4th place 5 times, and have not had a winning season. Unless they do something dramatic with their pitching, the run will continue...and the asset they have for trades is offense.

But for me its a moot point, because the Angels don't really have anything I'm looking for.

Are we though? And is Plesac, who pitched to his pretty average peripherals in 2021, really going to push them over the edge?

I can see the Angels having interest, but certainly not at the cost of a very productive 1B on the same affordable contract + a recent Top 10 MLB prospect for Plesac, Gimenez, and Daniel Johnson

 

[CATS44]

Gimenez was a highly rated prospect and has performed as well as Marsh and far better than Adell.

A decent 1B is always available, because teams don't value them highly....but a decent SP...even a MOR...that is pre arby is gold.

But for the last time...none of Walsh, March, or Adell fix the team in 2022....and trading Plesac and Gimenez for any two of them make the team much worse.

I have no interest in such a trade.

 

[Criznit]

If you were the GM of the Angels, and I wanted Walsh and Adell or at least one of them and my main player in the deal was Plesac, how would you counter?

Keep Plesac and send us TMac and Cody Morris.. Something like that.

 

[CATS44]

If you were the GM of the Angels, and I wanted Walsh and Adell or at least one of them and my main player in the deal was Plesac, how would you counter?

If I was GM of the Angels, I'd look at Trout, Ohtani, and Rendon, and think that I really need some pitching right now. And not being an unrealistic dummy, I know that pitching costs a lot, and whatever I give up is gonna hurt.

I know that my farm system sucks, esp at the upper levels. I know that at the moment I dont have a shortstop for next year and that I have zero viable options on my roster and zero SS prospects within two years of being ready.

And I gaze with coveting eyes at Cleveland, with more young SPs and MIFs than they can use.

 

[CDAV45]

I think all of you make valid, legitimate points. This whole Angels discussion started(I think) with my desire to acquire Stassi and the likely desire of the Angels to improve their rotation. In all honesty, I have no f'n clue what they should, will, or want to do. The idea that they'll need another season to assess some of the players they already have makes sense, but that changes things dramatically IMO. I tend to lean towards the idea that they want to kick the Guardians era off with a bang. The stars seem to be aligning to make a legitimate effort to win next season. New name, new minority owner, lowest payroll in MLB, new stadium lease and renovations are just a few of the things that make me believe they'll try to improve this roster. Clearly they already have a good rotation along with some damn good BP arms.

What can we realistically expect from HRam, Zimmer, Naylor, Mercado, Johnson, and Chang? Are any of these guys worth not pursuing better, more proven players? I lean towards no..........they are not.

What the hell are they going to do with Rosario and Gimenez? That same scenario will likely happen next year/season with 2b as well. The position is deep, but most of us expect Freeman to claim it at some point. Something has to give.

I know the saying is that you can never have enough SP, but there's a lot coming on quickly. There should be several ready to make their big league debuts at some point in 22.

What kind of impact can any of Jones, Arias, Kwan, or Gonzalez have? I honestly don't know what to expect.

So as of right now, I expect there is going to be either a single big trade sending multiple players to a team for a really good player or 2, or a couple of smaller trades. If they fail to extend JRam by the winter meetings then I'd look to see what other teams are offering. Hopefully they extend him and continue to build around him.

 

[CDAV45]

Keep Plesac and send us TMac and Cody Morris.. Something like that.

While you could be right, I'd refrain from trading Morris at this point. He's the type of arm that should get a call next season and be better than the majority of our current staff which would dramatically increase his current undervaluing. I think they'd be more inclined to deal TMac or Plesac than to include a guy with the upside of Morris. Admittedly, I could be completely wrong about that, but I think they hold Morris in very high regard.

 

[Criznit]

While you could be right, I'd refrain from trading Morris at this point. He's the type of arm that should get a call next season and be better than the majority of our current staff which would dramatically increase his current undervaluing. I think they'd be more inclined to deal TMac or Plesac than to include a guy with the upside of Morris. Admittedly, I could be completely wrong about that, but I think they hold Morris in very high regard.

I wouldn't make that trade myself, but the Angels "counter" would surely favor their side and go from there.