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Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

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sportscoach said:
Not against it, but I don't see everyone approaching it that way. I feel like people will still keep the label...
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I hear ya I guess. I am a big Espino fan and would be exceedingly reluctant to move him, but I could be convinced. Now if he crushes it in 2022 - he starts sniffing "untouchable" status and may even move into that classification if he is one of if not the best performer in the entirety of the minors.

To each their own.
 
Criznit said:
I hear ya I guess. I am a big Espino fan and would be exceedingly reluctant to move him, but I could be convinced.

To each their own.
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Liar.. you're going to remain a fan and a supporter of Espino in a Guardians' uni for life...
 
Untouchables shouldn't exist before AA

EDIT - I guess you can say they shouldn't exist at all but I guess I am just saying if someone is on your radar as a possible untouchable and just monsters out at the AA level, yeah they can go to untouchable for me.
 
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Gson said:
Liar.. you're going to remain a fan and a supporter of Espino in a Guardians' uni for life...
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Can't wait to see how he looks next spring and how well he wears that Rubber Ducks uni... First... lol
 
CATS44 said:
The Orioles have a player Id like to have.

They are years away from contending, and they have picked up a lot of young players/prospects...but are not blessed with near ready MIFs.

The Os began 2021 with Galvis at SS and Maikel Franco at 3B, both of which were flipped at the deadline. The starting 2B was Pat Valais, a waiver wire pickup.

As of right now, the Baltimore infield for 2022 consists of Jorge Mateo at 2B, Ramon Uriah at SS, and Kelvin Gutierrez at 3B, with Valais as the util.

All four are waiver wire acquisitions and will be 27-30 yrs old next season. Our three utils...Chang, Miller, and Clement...would be better than what they have. Arias and Jones would be much better.

Offering Baltimore an entire infield, excepting first base, that would be under control for six years just might get their attention. Throwing in a spare OF might keep their attention.

So...

Jones, Arias, Chang/Miller/Clement, and any OF in our org not named Straw or Valera (Zimmer, Harold, Mercado, Naylor, Johnson, Gonzalez, or Kwan) for Cedric Mullins.

Some fear that Mullins is a one year wonder. But he made a huge change this year. He stopped switch hitting. As a RH batter, his career OPS was .439. Thats not a misprint.

As a LH batter vs lefties, it is .788. Vs righties it is .833. He was a 30/30 player this year and collected 72 XBHs. (Jose had 73.) He is pre arby with four years of control.

This four for one trade would eliminate any roster problem we have, and it would have no effect on Baltimore's. It would also lead to room on our 40 man towards adding a catcher, another OF, and reliever later in the winter....and it would add zero to the payroll.
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I like you line of thinking CATS. Of the players you listed the Orioles would almost certainly take Jones, Arias, Miller, and one of Johnson/Kwan. What I am uncertain of is if that package would get it done. I think they'll want a SP prospect as well, and one of our better/best ones. I also hate the idea of letting Arias go, but for a player like Mullins you do it and don't look back. If they would take Gimenez instead that would be great IMO.

How about Mckenzie, Gimenez, Miller, and Jones for Mullins, Scott, and Mancini? Work for you?
 
CDAV45 said:
I like you line of thinking CATS. Of the players you listed the Orioles would almost certainly take Jones, Arias, Miller, and one of Johnson/Kwan. What I am uncertain of is if that package would get it done. I think they'll want a SP prospect as well, and one of our better/best ones. I also hate the idea of letting Arias go, but for a player like Mullins you do it and don't look back. If they would take Gimenez instead that would be great IMO.

How about Mckenzie, Gimenez, Miller, and Jones for Mullins, Scott, and Mancini? Work for you?
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The odds of Baltimore trading Mullins are slim, but IMO it could be done. The odds of them trading Mullins and Mancini in one trade are non existent.

I would have no problem exchanging different prospect names in any trade talk about Mullins...or any other of my top targets.

But if they want a top SP, I'd be more willing to trade Espino than TMac.

First, the idea is to improve the team significantly next year. TMac is a big part of 2022, Espino is not.

Secondly, TMac was, and still is a better prospect than Espino.

The same applies to Gimenez and Arias. Gimenez was, and still is a better prospect than Arias.

Fans want significant improvement, as do I. But fans don't want to pay the price for significant improvement.

They complain about Dolan constantly, but the fans are cheaper than Dolan is.
 
I want to wish TVB all the best. He was a member of this organization for a good while. Somebody mentioned previously, both Frankie and Jose became power hitters with him.
It will be interesting to see who the Guards bring in. I hope it's somebody from outside the club just to get a different perspective.

Tim Laker was with the organization for a while and now he's the hitting coach for the Mariners.
The ballsiest hitting coach hire I know of was when the Dodgers hired Robert Van Scoyoc as hitting coach. He had no professional baseball experience, but had a school and worked with players like JD Martinez and Justin Turner.

We'll see who we get.
 
CDAV45 said:
I like you line of thinking CATS. Of the players you listed the Orioles would almost certainly take Jones, Arias, Miller, and one of Johnson/Kwan. What I am uncertain of is if that package would get it done. I think they'll want a SP prospect as well, and one of our better/best ones. I also hate the idea of letting Arias go, but for a player like Mullins you do it and don't look back. If they would take Gimenez instead that would be great IMO.

How about Mckenzie, Gimenez, Miller, and Jones for Mullins, Scott, and Mancini? Work for you?
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Ask yourself as an Orioles fan if this trade works for you.
 
CATS44 said:
The odds of Baltimore trading Mullins are slim, but IMO it could be done. The odds of them trading Mullins and Mancini in one trade are non existent.

I would have no problem exchanging different prospect names in any trade talk about Mullins...or any other of my top targets.

But if they want a top SP, I'd be more willing to trade Espino than TMac.

First, the idea is to improve the team significantly next year. TMac is a big part of 2022, Espino is not.

Secondly, TMac was, and still is a better prospect than Espino.

The same applies to Gimenez and Arias. Gimenez was, and still is a better prospect than Arias.

Fans want significant improvement, as do I. But fans don't want to pay the price for significant improvement.

They complain about Dolan constantly, but the fans are cheaper than Dolan is.
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I guess that is where we part ways on the matter because TMac was not a better pitching prospect than Espino. We haven't had a better pitching prospect than Espino since maybe Miller and/or Sabathia. The idea of even suggesting such seems farfetched to me. It doesn't matter if Espino isn't a "big part of 2022". There's a pecking order based upon development time and readiness and with such a deep pool of SP there are others like Morris, Battenfield, LT Allen, Pilkington, Cantillo, and a few others that need to be tested before worrying about Espino. Although, Espino is that special kind of talent that could easily surpass every single one of the aforementioned in short order.

Same goes for the Gimenez and Arias comparisons. Both very good young SS, but Arias' upside is simply higher and his value greater.

I do not have an informed opinion on Baltimore's assessment of its organization. The ideas we presented would seem to be ideal, but they very well may not be. I just don't know.

Since you don't want to trade TMac and Gimenez for Mullins are you one of those "fans that don't want to pay the price for significant improvement"? lol I had to get that in there.
 
Espino may not be a higher RANKED prospect than McKenzie was, even at the same stages of their careers, but there is no doubt Espino's ceiling is a half mile or more higher than TMac's is/was. That is not a slight against Tmac who looks poised to become a FOR type if he keeps on progressing.

What that means to me is Espino has the potential to be truly special, more than TMac has/had. Let's see where Espino is this time next year prospect-wise, assuming he isn't already wearing a Guardians uniform...
 
I think Sticks ranked higher from the jump because numbers paired with physical projection. When that projection didn’t come and people came to terms with that paired with the two injuries it made him plummet even though he was still a quality prospect even in his frame. It seems the same but opposite with Espino due to he’s filled out and where is that physical projection to loft goals. I do personally agree Espino is probably the best homegrown/true blue talent since Adam Miller.
 
No, I'm willing to trade either Gimenez or TMac in the right deal.

But they are better...esp for 2022...than Arias and Espino.

TMac vs Espino in highest rankings:

BA...26th...unranked (he may be ranked now)
MLB...24th...92nd
BP....37th....100th

Gimenez vs Arias

BA...30th...unranked
MLB...58th...unranked
BP...38th...87th

These are two more cases that I was talking about in another thread. If a player isn't instantly a top three at his position or in the MVP or CY conversation, fans want to trade him to make room for some hot shot minor leaguer.
 
BA ranked TMac 26th going into this year, after they had already seen him pitch in MLB.

They didn't seem to be concerned about any lack of projection.

As for Arias, he isn't even the best MIF prospect we have. He's not even second. He may not even be third, if you count Gimenez.
 
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