-
Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.
Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team
- Thread starter red.
- Start date
Is the discussion of whether Mobley is a chronic masturbator serious or a joke? I’m hoping the latter.
I’m just seeing a guy with a high floor but possibly a lower ceiling skills-wise than we had initially assumed. He basically is looking a lot like last year which somewhat higher efficiency. So looking like a good but not great player. But that hits very different at the beginning of year 2 than it did at the beginning of year 1
I’m just seeing a guy with a high floor but possibly a lower ceiling skills-wise than we had initially assumed. He basically is looking a lot like last year which somewhat higher efficiency. So looking like a good but not great player. But that hits very different at the beginning of year 2 than it did at the beginning of year 1
Rich
Saucin'
- Joined
- Jul 5, 2010
- Messages
- 45,603
- Reaction score
- 69,697
- Points
- 148
I'm sure there are plenty.
But I can win 8 in a row with Mitchell as my point guard and no Garland.
Right now, I'm not sure what I could do with Garland and no Mobleyy, but I don't think it'd be very good.
chuck0609
NBA Starter
- Joined
- May 30, 2012
- Messages
- 3,516
- Reaction score
- 3,867
- Points
- 113
I don’t know if this is truly accurate. Catching a ball is a skill set you have or don’t have- while I wouldn’t say he has stone hands, his hands are not automatic.
He can improve concentration, positioning and readiness etc, but his hands aren’t going to become Diggs or Jefferson like at this point.
CroopZ23
In the Rotation
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2022
- Messages
- 570
- Reaction score
- 621
- Points
- 93
Look man, if you haven't experienced compulsive masturbation idk what to tell you. You can lose jobs, marriages, friendships, and everything in between. Yes, it is possible by some of his behaviors he is suffering from this. If so, help is available and he can get a handle on this issue...
CroopZ23
In the Rotation
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2022
- Messages
- 570
- Reaction score
- 621
- Points
- 93
Mobley from last night is a valuable player. He made some of the same bonehead mistakes but he asserted himself in the paint. If he can duplicate that effort most games...my criticisms will evaporate overnight.
You won’t take someone who has no aptitude and make them great. Natural ability does come into play. But you can get better. In football, receivers work on drills to help them catch better all the time. The right kind of repetitions train the eyes and hands. Strength will also make a difference. Mobley just isn’t strong anywhere, including his hands. He also looks to be “getting ahead of himself” often. He’s looking to make the play before he makes the catch (again like what happens in football). With more confidence in his offense, he will slow down mentally and fumble fewer passes. But, you may be right, he might never have great hands. And if that’s the case, it will limit his effectiveness. Great hands are one of a big man’s greatest attributes because of how much traffic they deal with.
Cavatt
Hall-of-Famer
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2008
- Messages
- 29,242
- Reaction score
- 38,406
- Points
- 148
He doesn't have bad hands. He's ripping down boards right now. He is rushing too much this season.
I don't care though because he had a great game. He wasn't the reason the team lost by any stretch.
Turnovers is where young players imoprove the most. That's why I have high hopes for both he and Garland.
I don't care though because he had a great game. He wasn't the reason the team lost by any stretch.
Turnovers is where young players imoprove the most. That's why I have high hopes for both he and Garland.
guitarguy
We have "real" Potential
- Joined
- Dec 10, 2020
- Messages
- 1,099
- Reaction score
- 1,679
- Points
- 113
I have no idea why people give this guy a hard time. He's so young, and already has such a big impact on the game, and basically the only one to show up last night (well one of 2). And shit, half the time he even majorly impacts the game without the stats. Oh well. I think the whining on here about his dribble etc... is about the lamest thing on the board. Also, I put basically zero stock in any plus/minus when you get people like Cedi getting like +45 or whatever it was the other day, which probably had zero to do with him. Or in other words, the other people on the floor have more impact on your plus/minus than you do. (4 times as much influence).
Jscc
Hall-of-Famer
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2015
- Messages
- 17,317
- Reaction score
- 18,721
- Points
- 123
If you gave DG a big man like JA and put them in a two man game vs Mitchell and Mobley, the latter wins the majority too imo.
Futuredome
All-Star
- Joined
- May 24, 2010
- Messages
- 12,646
- Reaction score
- 5,247
- Points
- 113
I love it Mobley took 3's. Keep on growing and expanding. It takes years.
From ESPN:
ULTIMATELY, CLEVELAND'S CEILING could be determined by Mobley's development as a scorer. He is averaging 15.0 points this season, the same as his rookie campaign but on improved efficiency, and the Cavaliers believe Mobley will grow into a potent scorer.
"It's crazy -- and I don't mean this in a bad way -- but I don't think he really understands how good he can be," Mitchell, the 26-year-old elder statesman among Cleveland's four foundational players, says of Mobley, 21. "He can be really special, and he can take us to a completely different level. I personally believe he can be a top-five player in this league."
The hope for Mobley is that he can develop into a more dynamic version of Horford and make opponents respect him as a 3-point threat.
"We're not asking him to have everything today," Mitchell says. "We're going to grow as a group through the years. I don't even think we've scratched the surface, to be honest."
Mobley hasn't yet proved that the 3-point shot is a part of his arsenal, creating spacing challenges for a team that features premier creators in Mitchell and Garland, 22. If Mobley becomes even an average 3-point shooter, particularly from the corners, Cleveland's explosive guards would have significantly more room to operate on isolations and pick-and-rolls with Allen, 24, an elite lob threat who has good touch around the basket. Defenders feeling the need to close out hard against him could unlock more of Mobley's ability to make plays off the dribble, too.
"That's where the league is going," Mobley says. "I feel pretty good with it so far. I haven't shot a lot this year, but I think it's just going to grow from here and keep getting better."
Mobley is shooting only 21.1% from 3-point range on less than an attempt per game, a reduction in volume from his rookie season. The work Mobley puts in at the Cavaliers' practice facility, where he will often make 8 of 10 attempts from seven different spots around the arc, has yet to translate to games.
"He still has so much room to grow, so much more things he can expand in his game," Allen says. "He's shown excellent flashes of what he can do. Everybody dreams of a stretch big. With Evan, it'd be a stretch big that can be one of the best defensive players in the league."
ULTIMATELY, CLEVELAND'S CEILING could be determined by Mobley's development as a scorer. He is averaging 15.0 points this season, the same as his rookie campaign but on improved efficiency, and the Cavaliers believe Mobley will grow into a potent scorer.
"It's crazy -- and I don't mean this in a bad way -- but I don't think he really understands how good he can be," Mitchell, the 26-year-old elder statesman among Cleveland's four foundational players, says of Mobley, 21. "He can be really special, and he can take us to a completely different level. I personally believe he can be a top-five player in this league."
The hope for Mobley is that he can develop into a more dynamic version of Horford and make opponents respect him as a 3-point threat.
"We're not asking him to have everything today," Mitchell says. "We're going to grow as a group through the years. I don't even think we've scratched the surface, to be honest."
Mobley hasn't yet proved that the 3-point shot is a part of his arsenal, creating spacing challenges for a team that features premier creators in Mitchell and Garland, 22. If Mobley becomes even an average 3-point shooter, particularly from the corners, Cleveland's explosive guards would have significantly more room to operate on isolations and pick-and-rolls with Allen, 24, an elite lob threat who has good touch around the basket. Defenders feeling the need to close out hard against him could unlock more of Mobley's ability to make plays off the dribble, too.
"That's where the league is going," Mobley says. "I feel pretty good with it so far. I haven't shot a lot this year, but I think it's just going to grow from here and keep getting better."
Mobley is shooting only 21.1% from 3-point range on less than an attempt per game, a reduction in volume from his rookie season. The work Mobley puts in at the Cavaliers' practice facility, where he will often make 8 of 10 attempts from seven different spots around the arc, has yet to translate to games.
"He still has so much room to grow, so much more things he can expand in his game," Allen says. "He's shown excellent flashes of what he can do. Everybody dreams of a stretch big. With Evan, it'd be a stretch big that can be one of the best defensive players in the league."
Cavatt
Hall-of-Famer
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2008
- Messages
- 29,242
- Reaction score
- 38,406
- Points
- 148
Cavs are still in 3rd place while dealing with a bad spate of injuries and illness. We have seen some really bad games and terrible scoring droughts. Mitchell and Garland have shown flashes of what they can be together, but haven't balanced their scoring/playmaking yet. Mobley has been great in some games while starting slow and has yet to find range on his shot. JA has been in and out of the lineup, but has truly anchored a top 5 defense when he was in. Levert has shot the worst percentage of his career.
On and on. There are tons of things we can expect to get better, and yet they are still in 3rd place.
I don't expect them to fix everything this year either. There are still flaws with the roster. Backup Center is position of weakness right now, but we have Diop, Diakite, and Mobley the lesser in the pipeline. There's a hole at big SF, but we have Travers coming soon and Wade working his way back from a meniscus tear right now. He isn't 100%. I am starting to think we may even be able to have Evan and his bro play the forwards spots at some point in a tall lineup similar to Lauri.
I am super bullish on this team despite some really bad play from the most difficult stretch of games in the season. Seeing them lose to the Raps on a historically bad shooting night after playing 3 in 4 in 3 different cities while the Raps only had 5 games in 2 weeks with a week at home is not making me lose sleep.
We also have heard most of the team has the flu or some other illness while we watch yellow goo flow from Cedi's head.
This was going to be a tough stretch healthy, I believe Evan has played really well and we have the right guy. Sorry he is not better than Giannis already, but we used to make fun of Jaylen Brown getting punked by Lebron in his first 2 years and we would love to have that guy right now.
I am glad this team is facing some adversity. I thought they couldn't play D without JA, but they did in both the Detroit and Raps game. They will be stronger after this stretch, and at some point Ricky comes back which is going to really help them keep the ball moving when things get stagnant.
These guys need some practice time as they have gotten away from moving the ball. They need some rest and they need to get over this illness. We haven't seen our last Cavalanche
On and on. There are tons of things we can expect to get better, and yet they are still in 3rd place.
I don't expect them to fix everything this year either. There are still flaws with the roster. Backup Center is position of weakness right now, but we have Diop, Diakite, and Mobley the lesser in the pipeline. There's a hole at big SF, but we have Travers coming soon and Wade working his way back from a meniscus tear right now. He isn't 100%. I am starting to think we may even be able to have Evan and his bro play the forwards spots at some point in a tall lineup similar to Lauri.
I am super bullish on this team despite some really bad play from the most difficult stretch of games in the season. Seeing them lose to the Raps on a historically bad shooting night after playing 3 in 4 in 3 different cities while the Raps only had 5 games in 2 weeks with a week at home is not making me lose sleep.
We also have heard most of the team has the flu or some other illness while we watch yellow goo flow from Cedi's head.
This was going to be a tough stretch healthy, I believe Evan has played really well and we have the right guy. Sorry he is not better than Giannis already, but we used to make fun of Jaylen Brown getting punked by Lebron in his first 2 years and we would love to have that guy right now.
I am glad this team is facing some adversity. I thought they couldn't play D without JA, but they did in both the Detroit and Raps game. They will be stronger after this stretch, and at some point Ricky comes back which is going to really help them keep the ball moving when things get stagnant.
These guys need some practice time as they have gotten away from moving the ball. They need some rest and they need to get over this illness. We haven't seen our last Cavalanche