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Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team

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Is Evan Mobley the Greatest Player of All Time?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 38.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 21 16.9%
  • Yes

    Votes: 7 5.6%
  • YAAASSS!!!

    Votes: 36 29.0%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 26 21.0%

  • Total voters
    124
I remember getting trashed last year for suggesting I’d trade Mobley for Banchero. Well who’s laughing now?

Also can add Sengun to that list. Mobley just ain’t it.

Banchero was the number 1 pick. Mobley wasn't.

People say things and think they're giving some crazy hot take and deserve a pat on the back.

I'd have traded Evan Mobley for Victor Wembanyama too.
 
Depending on how long he's out, this might be the only realistic way the Cavs were going to ever go the way of benching him.

Mobley could be a bench weapon in limited minutes upon returning from this injury, assuming the new starters look great down the stretch...
 
Perhaps the injuries prevent him from getting the max this off season? I still think he has by far the highest potential on the team, but I mean, a deal is a deal. I don't really know what the rules are...like say the max is 30 million a year, if he gets 29 million? Is that no longer considered max? Or is there rules? I guess I don't really care. But if helps in a world where having too many max players is impossible, I could see it being an option.

I'm definitely not as down at all as so many folks on here. Even for fit, Wade is nowhere near Mobley level imo, he's so inconsistent it's laughable to me they could be compared. I get that fits are weird, but I think there are other glaring problems way worse...erhgmmm Mitchell/Garland...

With how Okoro has progressed this year doing stuff that didn't seem possible a year ago, Evan seems well in line to make big improvements. Anyways, I'll probalby have to stay off this thread for awhile, ha. I'm not saying he's playing like a superstar, but certainly some harsh takes in here for a guy that is 1st team defense and still a much better offensive player than most other defensive savants.

Carry on.
 
Perhaps the injuries prevent him from getting the max this off season? I still think he has by far the highest potential on the team, but I mean, a deal is a deal. I don't really know what the rules are...like say the max is 30 million a year, if he gets 29 million? Is that no longer considered max? Or is there rules? I guess I don't really care. But if helps in a world where having too many max players is impossible, I could see it being an option.

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I know very little about these contracts, but some chat with AI tells that it it possible to give a rookie plaer selected in first round a big contract, that is a bit bellow max :
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While there isn't a specific contract type labeled "slightly below max" in the NBA, there are a few ways teams can offer lucrative deals to their young stars without necessarily reaching the full max contract value. Here are some examples:

1. Extensions with lower annual value: Teams can offer contract extensions to their own young players after their third season. These extensions typically offer a significant raise from the rookie scale contract but might not reach the full max allowed based on the player's experience and achievements.

Example: Trae Young (Atlanta Hawks): Young signed a four-year extension worth $171 million in 2021 after his third season, which wasn't the full max available but still a substantial raise.

2. Sign-and-trades: Teams can negotiate sign-and-trade deals with other teams who possess the cap space to absorb a young player's new contract. This allows the young player to receive a larger contract than their original team could offer while the acquiring team benefits from acquiring a talented player without sacrificing significant assets.

Example: Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers): In 2022, Simmons was traded to the Brooklyn Nets in a sign-and-trade deal, receiving a five-year, $177 million contract from the Nets. This scenario wouldn't have been possible under a traditional extension with the 76ers due to their cap situation.

3. Qualifying Offers: Teams can offer a "qualifying offer" to their first-round draft picks after their fourth season. If the player accepts, they become a restricted free agent, granting the team the right to match any offer sheet they receive from another team. This can sometimes lead to teams offering qualifying offers exceeding their projected value to retain their young talent.

Example: Jordan Poole (Golden State Warriors): Poole received a one-year, $3.9 million qualifying offer in 2023 as a restricted free agent. This offer, exceeding his projected value, served as leverage for negotiations and ultimately led to a four-year, $85 million contract extension with the Warriors.
 
I know very little about these contracts, but some chat with AI tells that it it possible to give a rookie plaer selected in first round a big contract, that is a bit bellow max :
"
While there isn't a specific contract type labeled "slightly below max" in the NBA, there are a few ways teams can offer lucrative deals to their young stars without necessarily reaching the full max contract value. Here are some examples:

1. Extensions with lower annual value: Teams can offer contract extensions to their own young players after their third season. These extensions typically offer a significant raise from the rookie scale contract but might not reach the full max allowed based on the player's experience and achievements.

Example: Trae Young (Atlanta Hawks): Young signed a four-year extension worth $171 million in 2021 after his third season, which wasn't the full max available but still a substantial raise.

2. Sign-and-trades: Teams can negotiate sign-and-trade deals with other teams who possess the cap space to absorb a young player's new contract. This allows the young player to receive a larger contract than their original team could offer while the acquiring team benefits from acquiring a talented player without sacrificing significant assets.

Example: Ben Simmons (Philadelphia 76ers): In 2022, Simmons was traded to the Brooklyn Nets in a sign-and-trade deal, receiving a five-year, $177 million contract from the Nets. This scenario wouldn't have been possible under a traditional extension with the 76ers due to their cap situation.

3. Qualifying Offers: Teams can offer a "qualifying offer" to their first-round draft picks after their fourth season. If the player accepts, they become a restricted free agent, granting the team the right to match any offer sheet they receive from another team. This can sometimes lead to teams offering qualifying offers exceeding their projected value to retain their young talent.

Example: Jordan Poole (Golden State Warriors): Poole received a one-year, $3.9 million qualifying offer in 2023 as a restricted free agent. This offer, exceeding his projected value, served as leverage for negotiations and ultimately led to a four-year, $85 million contract extension with the Warriors.

The Ben Simmons information is wrong. He signed his extension in July 2019 with Philadelphia and was traded early in 2022 to the Nets. He’s an UFA July 2025.
 
Cavs have been trying hard to make Mobley a 4 but it seems thst Evan does not have any feel, handles and shooting touch to be a modern 4. He is strictly a 5. I fear cavs will be better this season if Evan goes to the bench when he becomes healthy. Having a switchable big all the time will be a luxury for the cavs. Evan needs to work on his craft this off season and maybe a little humbling will do him good.
 
Cavs have been trying hard to make Mobley a 4 but it seems thst Evan does not have any feel, handles and shooting touch to be a modern 4. He is strictly a 5. I fear cavs will be better this season if Evan goes to the bench when he becomes healthy. Having a switchable big all the time will be a luxury for the cavs. Evan needs to work on his craft this off season and maybe a little humbling will do him good.

It’s our blessing and curse. We have bigs that can switch around but they get bodied inside. After those Bulls and Knicks games it feels like we can be defeated the same way this playoffs.
 
Cavs have been trying hard to make Mobley a 4 but it seems thst Evan does not have any feel, handles and shooting touch to be a modern 4. He is strictly a 5. I fear cavs will be better this season if Evan goes to the bench when he becomes healthy. Having a switchable big all the time will be a luxury for the cavs. Evan needs to work on his craft this off season and maybe a little humbling will do him good.

I think his earlier injury this season game him some direction on how he needed to mold his offensive game. I think JBB and the system he was running before really didn't give Mobley the proper direction for him to build out his game. He came back from that injury and was at least shooting from the top of the 3pt arc.

Maybe he adds another spot on the 3pt arc while his ankle heals up to play ago. Hopefully he will be healthy during the offseason to put in the work to really mold his game.
 

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