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That's because his overall play started started to decline in 2019, right when we needed him the most. For anyone to say many of us were blind to this is wholly mistaken. I was ardently against trading him, and wanted to play out his time here completely because I felt he would be a monster his last three years prior to free agency. I didn't care if we got nothing for him but a compensation pick, that's the high regard I had for him and how I expected his game to progress and the impact he would have on the team.

WRONG. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The more he was responsible for being "the guy," the less we got from him. It was bitterly disappointing to me. So yes, I'm taking pleasure in the Met's refusal to "try before the buy." It was stupid. Lindor wasn't going to cost that much more at the end of 2021, c'mon. The Mets and Lindor and all those New York fans...they all deserve one another.
Francisco a really good player. Francisco is not worth anywhere where near 341 million. I remember when someone in our bullpen was getting hammered day in and day out and the fans started booing the moment he was announced. Lindor called out the fans saying "not cool" to do that. Now he's the one getting booed. He's in New York now. He needs only to see how Stanton is getting treated to understand he's not in Kansas anymore.
 
Home runs in the seventh game of the world series mean as much WAR wise as one in a 15 to nothing blowout in mid May. But from a fan perspective, and a team perspective, they are worlds apart.
I'm pretty certain WAR calculations don't take into account postseason play, but your point is well taken. The last two years for Lindor in Cleveland, aside from the defensive side, were empty calories WAR-wise.
 
For five years, from his first game until Covid hit, Lindor was the best overall shortstop in MLB, and the second best defensively.

He was the sixth best player in all of baseball. He averaged 5.5 fWAR for those five years.

Some folks are doing a lot of forgetting.

That five year stretch was better than any that Manny or Thome had with us.

The only Tribe position players who have had a better five year stretch in the last century are...

Grady
Jose...if you prorate last year.
Al Rosen
Larry Doby
Lou Boudreau

Notice that of the seven players mentioned above, four are in the HOF...one would be there if it weren't for steroids...and one might get there some day.
We got the best years of his career
 
Home runs in the seventh game of the world series mean as much WAR wise as one in a 15 to nothing blowout in mid May. But from a fan perspective, and a team perspective, they are worlds apart.

Frankie never consistently got it done when the lights got brightest @CATS44. RISP, playoff games, stretch runs - he just didn't measure up.

Hey but all WAR is equal so we can go wild for a game in April just like it was a decisive game in the playoffs since it is all the same by WAR CATS
My biggest memories of Lindor are solo home runs (especially leading off the first inning) and strking out on breaking balls in the dirt with two out and runners in scoring position.

And to be fair, a few amazing defensive gems.
 
My biggest memories of Lindor are solo home runs (especially leading off the first inning) and strking out on breaking balls in the dirt with two out and runners in scoring position.

And to be fair, a few amazing defensive gems.

Mine will always be listening to the radio call of the grand slam in game 1 of the 2017 ALDS as I was driving home.
 

Francisco Lindor’s Mets struggles are more worrisome than you think​

By Ken Davidoff


April 29, 2021 | 7:50pm | Updated


Let’s pretend we’ve reached the All-Star break.

Your favorite team’s shortstop has played in 79 games and put up a .246/.330/.380 slash line, with nine home runs in 305 at-bats. He shines defensively and draws universal acclaim for his energy and leadership.
You’d take that, right?

Would you take it for $341 million, though?

Surprise! We’re talking about Francisco Lindor (yeah, you figured that out instantly). And when contemplating his very poor start with his new team, one that has slapped him with the first home-crowd boos of his celebrated career, it seems rather relevant to bring up his final season with his original team.

Which is how we get to that 79-game count: All 60 games with the Indians in 2020 plus all 19 of the Mets’ games in 2021. Meld his dreadful .203/.317/.261 slash line this season with the .258/.335/.415 he posed with the Indians last year, which established or tied career lows in all three counts, and it instantly becomes a less small sample.

I sure as heck am not ready to proclaim that Lindor won’t return to the .288/.347/.493 heights he climbed from the enormous sample of 2015 through 2019, the heights which the Mets clearly banked on the 27-year-old to rediscover when they signed him to the largest pact for a shortstop in baseball history. However, neither do I think it would be smart to completely shrug off what amounts to a half-season of offensive decline.

Lindor, professing no concern, told reporters on Wednesday of Mets fans, “I just hope they cheer and jump on the field when I start hitting home runs and start helping the team on a daily basis a lot more than I’m doing right now.”

The five-tool player (in the past, at least) can find more than five reasons for his multi-season slippage. Last year, naturally, “was the COVID year,” as former White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper put it Thursday in a telephone interview. And this year brings Lindor (who hit extremely well in spring training, for whatever that’s worth) the challenge of adapting to a new team, new league and new expectations that comes with signing a ginormous contract in a big market.

Said Ron Gardenhire, who managed the Tigers against Lindor’s Cleveland bunch the prior three seasons, Thursday in a telephone interview: “I wouldn’t throw him away yet. He’s the kind of guy who’s going to help you keep your manager’s job if you just let him play.”

As a Met, Lindor has walked more often (13.3 percent of his plate appearances) and struck out less frequently (12 percent) than last year (9 and 15.4 percent, respectively). What stands out most from a look under the hood is that he simply isn’t striking the ball with any level of authority. His average exit velocity stands at 88.3 miles per hour, a career nadir, as per Baseball Savant, and he is hitting the ball on the ground (52.5 percent) the most in his career since his 2015 rookie season while sitting on a worst-ever line-drive rate (18 percent).

In 2020, Lindor actually set a career peak for line-drive rate (33 percent). This season’s exit-velocity drop, however, follows a significant one last year to 89.9 mph after averaging 91 mph in 2019.

As a Met, Lindor has walked more often (13.3 percent of his plate appearances) and struck out less frequently (12 percent) than last year (9 and 15.4 percent, respectively). What stands out most from a look under the hood is that he simply isn’t striking the ball with any level of authority. His average exit velocity stands at 88.3 miles per hour, a career nadir, as per Baseball Savant, and he is hitting the ball on the ground (52.5 percent) the most in his career since his 2015 rookie season while sitting on a worst-ever line-drive rate (18 percent).


In 2020, Lindor actually set a career peak for line-drive rate (33 percent). This season’s exit-velocity drop, however, follows a significant one last year to 89.9 mph after averaging 91 mph in 2019.

o some metrics align to create a two-season picture and others don’t. In addition to all of the adjustments emanating from the big trade, there’s also the fact that March-April represents Lindor’s worst career month (.777 OPS), better than only June (.762 OPS).

If Lindor got off to this sort of start with a team on which he coached, Cooper said, “I wouldn’t be sitting here saying, ‘Holy (bleep), what did we do? I’m saying the opposite. I’m saying, ‘We’ve got ourselves a shortstop for the next 10 years.’”


This 2020-21 version of Lindor can be a championship shortstop. He’d also be a serious overpay, though, and with so many other Mets slumping, no one is talking championship at the moment.


No, here at our imaginary All-Star break, you want to see Lindor come out on the other side looking more like the first half … of his career. You simply can’t know for sure that’s coming.
 

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Francisco Lindor’s Mets struggles are more worrisome than you think​

By Ken Davidoff

The strange thing to me is that none of these reporters dig a little deeper...the seeds of Lindor's decline didn't come from the "covid" year, but from his underwhelming 2019, a year that was superficially fine, but rather empty in its overall impact. It also sent up warning flags with respect to chase rate and his performance w/RISP, both of which many of us were willing to dismiss until it got worse in 2020. This isn't just an alarming 79 games, a picture Davidoff wants to paint, it's well over 220 now. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Mets felt like they had to act this spring. Lindor played them (and all of us) like the suckers we were.
 
The strange thing to me is that none of these reporters dig a little deeper...the seeds of Lindor's decline didn't come from the "covid" year, but from his underwhelming 2019, a year that was superficially fine, but rather empty in its overall impact. It also sent up warning flags with respect to chase rate and his performance w/RISP, both of which many of us were willing to dismiss until it got worse in 2020. This isn't just an alarming 79 games, a picture Davidoff wants to paint, it's well over 220 now. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Mets felt like they had to act this spring. Lindor played them (and all of us) like the suckers we were.
Speak for yourself
 
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I'm sorry, I forgot. There exist the all-knowing among us.
Nope, no where near omniscient. Have no claim to that.

Just have seen it before when someone thinks they speak for many. I probably should have expounded a little and put a please in there, but short and to the point is more my style.
 
The strange thing to me is that none of these reporters dig a little deeper...the seeds of Lindor's decline didn't come from the "covid" year, but from his underwhelming 2019, a year that was superficially fine, but rather empty in its overall impact. It also sent up warning flags with respect to chase rate and his performance w/RISP, both of which many of us were willing to dismiss until it got worse in 2020. This isn't just an alarming 79 games, a picture Davidoff wants to paint, it's well over 220 now. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the Mets felt like they had to act this spring. Lindor played them (and all of us) like the suckers we were.
$341 million is an absurd amount of money. Who were they bidding against? Were the Yankees offering $340 million?
 
Maybe the Lindor worship here wasn't as bad as IBI where I was until '19-ish. But saying something over there was met with a plenty of hostility by many.
What’s IBI?
 
$341 million is an absurd amount of money. Who were they bidding against? Were the Yankees offering $340 million?
They were bidding against themselves. He wasn't a free agent.

He went 0 for 5 tonight and the team he is "leading" lost 2-1 to a Phillies team that was missing half of its regular lineup. He's now 4 for his last 28 and down to .189. He struck out once, but did hit two balls pretty well. He might be coming around.
 

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