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Game Thread | Knicks playoff series Game #3 | Cavs @ Knicks | April 21, 2023 | 8:30 ABC

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Game 3 in the Garden with a late 8:30 p.m. start on ABC and Bally. The Knicks will obviously be looking to get back on track after Tuesday night’s beatdown where they trailed by 22 points after three quarters and as much as 29 in the fourth.

The Cavs were a completely different basketball team in Game 2 with different personnel, a different approach offensively, and a much more physical style of play. The Knicks stuck with the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” approach and got hammered. Now we’ll see what, if any, adjustments they make tonight.

This time it's the Cavs who will stick with what worked and the Knicks who have to consider making changes.

Quentin Grimes is 1-for-6 in 49 minutes over the two games. How many teams have a starting shooting guard who never shoots? He’s been solid defensively on Mitchell, but Immanuel Quickley gives them a lot more offense. Having scored just 101 and 90 points the first two games I’m wondering if we’ll see less Grimes and more Quickley, who is capable of 30-point games if he gets hot.

As a starter this year Quickley averaged 22.6 points in 21 games, shooting 47% from the field and 40% on 3’s. If the Knicks continue to struggle offensively I could see Thibs going to him, maybe not as a starter, but early on like the Cavs did in replacing Okoro with LeVert in Game 2.

The Cavs managed to fix everything that wasn’t working in Game 1. They simply figured out how to beat the Knicks. Use a seven-man rotation, play LeVert 40 minutes and have him check Brunson, have everybody crash the defensive glass, have Mitchell pass out of double teams instead of trying to dribble through them (11 shot attempts, 13 assists!), let Garland run the offense, and ramp the intensity way up.

Bickerstaff’s adjustments and the players’ commitment to increased physicality paid off. Now the question is - what does Thibs do to counteract it?

The Cavs will be going with the personnel from Game 2 (as opposed to using Rubio and Wade) and that has been their best rotation by far. In Game 2 they connected on 42.4% of their 3’s. Can they come close to that on the road? Cedi was 1-for-7 on 3’s. Can he shoot better in the Garden? He is dealing with a sprained ankle and is listed as questionable. If he can’t go will Okoro or Stevens be able to adequately replace him?

The Knicks will most likely do something different. Obviously Josh Hart playing on a gimpy ankle was a factor and he may be a lot better after two days off. He was a -29 in 27 minutes in Game 2. The next worst player was a -10, so Hart really hurt them. He probably could not move as well as usual on defense and he only took three shots after coming up big in Game 1.

The crowd will obviously be trying to intimidate the Cavs and the referees so we’ll see how this untested team reacts to the noise and hostility.

I expect the Knicks to be throwing elbows around and seeing how much contact they can get away with. Allen laying out Randle on that breakaway layup with 2:22 left and the Cavs up by 21 points will have the Knicks fired up. They know that in order to beat the Cavs they need to be the more intimidating and physical team and bodies will likely be hitting the floor in this one. I don’t think the Knicks believe they can win on just basketball skills.

It won’t surprise me if they try to beat up Garland when he ventures into the lane after he torched them for 32 points and 7 assists in Game 2. The Cavs need to be ready to be bounced around and mugged with the refs possibly turning a blind eye. I’m hoping the refs start out calling it tight to prevent the game from turning into a slugfest. But the Cavs need to be ready in case it does.

Winning either of the next two games returns the home court advantage to the Cavs and puts them back in the driver's seat.
 
Do not expect the refs to be on the Cavs side tonight.

The best thing we could do is play hard early and run out to a big lead so it’s hard for NY to come back. Because if it’s a two or three posession game with a few minutes remaining in the 4th, things will start going in NY’s favor.

I expect the Knicks to win one of the next two games, which while not great, we can live with. We just can’t allow them to win both. Let’s make it easy on ourselves and win tonight.
 
Game day! Expecting a very physical game and Donovan to drop 40 in the Garden. Bring in Lopez to give some hard fouls if necessary. NY is going to come out swinging, Cavs gotta be mentally prepared to hit back and hit back hard.
 
Do not expect the refs to be on the Cavs side tonight.

The best thing we could do is play hard early and run out to a big lead so it’s hard for NY to come back. Because if it’s a two or three posession game with a few minutes remaining in the 4th, things will start going in NY’s favor.

I expect the Knicks to win one of the next two games, which while not great, we can live with. We just can’t allow them to win both. Let’s make it easy on ourselves and win tonight.
My biggest concern is the refs not letting us be half as physical as the Knicks.
 
My biggest concern is the refs not letting us be half as physical as the Knicks.
Make it a problem then

Let’s not play soft anticipating not being allowed to play physical. I feel we did that in 2015 against GS. They were physical and setting illegal screens and we just sat and took it. Then in 2016 Tristian Thompson so doesn’t get enough credit for that 2016 series said Eff it and he started setting illegal screens too and the refs didn’t call them.

We need to do the same against NYK. MAKE the Knicks call bad calls
 
Boobie got any insight on the health of the Knicks?
 
I have learn to respect and dislike and sometimes hate SAS all at the same time , but his rant since Wednesday about how we’re going to crumble under the big lights of NY got me fire up , I know this team don’t need no bulletin board material, especially from a non player, but I would be playing his over the confident rant over and over in the locker room , just before the start of the game .
 
NYC fucked around and now they are about to find out.
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I’m not worried about the physicality tonight from the Knicks, my worry is someone on there bench trying to take one of our players out tonight while they are in mid air, trying to play revenge game……I totally expect some type of flagrant foul tonight from the Knicks, I hope they miss calculated and it’s turns into a flagrant 2, but our player is good to go afterward.
 
I see Okoro is not on the injured list, ( unfortunately Windler is haha) I would still start him, and tell him play as aggressive as you can , knowing I’m probably going to play LeVert 35/40 minutes anyway. Just make the fouls count no ticky tack fouls.
 
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I see Okoro is not on the injured list, ( unfortunately Windler is haha) I would still start him, and tell him play as aggressive as you can , knowing I’m probably going to play LeVert 35/40 minutes anyway. Just make the fouls count no ticky tack fouls.
Okoro has almost no offensive game, so he needs to play great defense not to be a serious liability. Just playing a few minutes and committing some hard fouls is not what we need. All that does is get the Knicks in the bonus early. Anybody can do that. Lopez can come in, knock some people down, and go back to the bench.

If Okoro plays his job is to make his man miss shots or force turnovers. And get some defensive rebounds.
 
I don't understand the comment that Okoro has "almost no offensive game." A player who can hit corner threes at a rate of 42% over a 3 month period has an offensive game. I get that we're all pissed he missed all 4 threes in Game 1 (something that likely didn't happen since 2022). But that's a one game sample size.

The Knicks will again ignore him tonight. Let's hope he can make them regret that decision.
 
Okoro has almost no offensive game, so he needs to play great defense not to be a serious liability. Just playing a few minutes and committing some hard fouls is not what we need. All that does is get the Knicks in the bonus early. Anybody can do that. Lopez can come in, knock some people down, and go back to the bench.

If Okoro plays his job is to make his man miss shots or force turnovers. And get some defensive rebounds.
I’m not saying just go in and just foul purposely, make Brunson feel you for the first 5 minutes or so, and let’s hope the Ref not calling BS touch fouls, If you notice when Okoro gets the ball on the wing when Brunson is guarding him, he going to the hole pretty aggressively, wasn’t successful last game, but the game plan was definitely told to him to be aggressive on offense.
 

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