Get Excited Somewhere Else: John Dorsey

[Jordan]

I can use other examples.

Hubbard for lots of money.
Releasing Carl Nassib
Trading Jason McCourtey for a 7th rounder

Further, I didn't say they should fire Dorsey. But while Freddie is (rightfully) taking heat, Dorsey is equally culpable

He has used up his grace period, in 2020 it's time for results or he needs to move on.

Which of Dorsey's moves have been sure-fire hits?

-Chubb
-Hunt
-Sheldon Richardson
-Jarvis (?)

It's definitely not Baker or OBJ. And it is DEFINITELY not Freddie.

 

[Chris]

Which of Dorsey's moves have been sure-fire hits?

-Chubb
-Hunt
-Sheldon Richardson
-Jarvis (?)

It's definitely not Baker or OBJ. And it is DEFINITELY not Freddie.

The guy was a Lord last year when everything was working. Nothing is working this year so he sucks now.

As usual the truth is somewhere in between. Big offseason for him coming up.

 

[Rich]

Ya keep Dorsey for one m9re year.

But in doing so you let him run the show entirely. If that means he thinks Kitchens should stay, so be it. If he fails then he takes Dorsey with him.

 

[DirtyDan]

But I can acknowledge there is a plan there to address it.

I realize there is no way in actual hell you can address all the holes an 0-16 team had in 2 off seasons no matter how many draft picks you had.

You have to have some perspective.

There is no criticism from me. I wish we had a better o line. I think we would be much better if it was addressed, but it’s not and it’s a hole he has to address going forward.

Look I get that you can't fix everything in 2 years, but what I'm saying is Dorsey actually tried to address the offensive line and did horribly. He made multiple moves through free agency and drafted Corbett. Those were opportunities to improve the line, yet here we are. Bitonio and Tretter are the only guys holding this line together.

It's great everything is going according to plan though

 

[Triple-S]

I don't see a reason in firing Dorsey unless Bill Belichick or Ozzie Newsome themselves are banging at the door to get in.

As it stands? That will not happen. This franchise is viewed as a laughingstock by the majority of the league. It's cancer. It's toxic. fucking OBJ and Landy have both gone on record saying that it's the modern day of equivalent of post-Lombardi, pre-Farve Green bay were.

It's why I keep posting the "joke" about them hiring a the film intern from the Ravens, because that's about the only sort of guy who would entertain the concept of taking the gig.

leave it alone.

Otherwise? The fans that call for this deserve all the misery that will come associated with the fall out of such a move.

 

[Triple-S]

I'm going to hammer away at badly the Browns are looked at by the rest of the league.


The Cincinnati Bengals practice on a lot in downtown Cincinnati. There are high schools near me (and in the state of Ohio) that have nicer facilities. There's also an urban legend that they didn't do any "scouting" and would in fact have a fan who's day job was a pharmacist do it for them.

...

They are more highly thought of by the NFL community than the Cleveland Browns. There are people that would gladly take that job before ever stepping off the tarmac at Hopkins.

 

[DirtyDan]

I don't see a reason in firing Dorsey unless Bill Belichick or Ozzie Newsome themselves are banging at the door to get in.

As it stands? That will not happen. This franchise is viewed as a laughingstock by the majority of the league. It's cancer. It's toxic. fucking OBJ and Landy have both gone on record saying that it's the modern day of equivalent of post-Lombardi, pre-Farve Green bay were.

It's why I keep posting the "joke" about them hiring a the film intern from the Ravens, because that's about the only sort of guy who would entertain the concept of taking the gig.

leave it alone.

Otherwise? The fans that call for this deserve all the misery that will come associated with the fall out of such a move.

No one is saying he should be fired. He should be criticized for putting together an embarrassing product.

If he's truly good at his job then maybe it would show on Sunday? I'm waiting for his reputation to catch up to him and the clock is ticking. He's had more than enough assets, cap space, and coaching decisions.

If you want them to be mentioned among the Ravens or Patriots, you don't accept mediocrity, even if it's the best you've had. Shed this nonsense about the Browns being a toxic organization, because Dorsey and his buddies are supposed to be among the best in the NFL at their jobs. The Redskins or Jets can't attract that.

 

[6.19.2016]

We’ve reached the “the draft is a crapshoot anyway” portion of the season to defend these bums.

Yes, teams miss on drafts.

But the fact of the matter is even when they miss on a specific draft, they have a talent core, player development system and culture to get them through it.

The Browns do not have that locked in quite yet. Dorsey is doing this franchise a disservice in his coaching hires and the ability to install player development and culture that is consistent with the best franchises in the NFL.

It’s abhorrent, it’s short sighted. It’s unacceptable, full stop.

Ironically, Dorsey has atoned for Farmer's awful 2014 1st round with OBJ and Jarvis, and whatever you want to say about Baker/Ward, they are arguably the anti-Johnny and the anti-Justin Gilbert.

It's just that he had to pour tons of resources into that atonement. OBJ effectively cost 3 first-rounders if you count Peppers and Danny Shelton by their original draft positions.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I wonder how many times I need to say I dont want to fire him this year before the point sinks in.

Hes on his 3rd coach, though. He brought back Hue and he hired Freddie. If he fails on this next hire, hes gone. And if he fails to fix the glaring holes on the roster (or worse, creates more holes) hes gone.

But not in 2019.

 

[chrisrich91]

I wonder how many times I need to say I dont want to fire him this year before the point sinks in.

Hes on his 3rd coach, though. He brought back Hue and he hired Freddie. If he fails on this next hire, hes gone. And if he fails to fix the glaring holes on the roster (or worse, creates more holes) hes gone.

But not in 2019.

This revisionist history is bizarre to me.

It was pretty widely assumed even at the time that Dorsey was saddled with another year of Hue by the Haslams.

Dorsey forced the guy to hire and give away playcalling duties to an OC with a history of being an abrasive personality. Real vote of confidence and support there..

Dorsey has made mistakes like any other GM, but Hue doesn’t make his list. And let’s not forget Dorsey is a mere 2 offseasons removed from 0-16.

 

[BMAN]

This revisionist history is bizarre to me.

It was pretty widely assumed even at the time that Dorsey was saddled with another year of Hue by the Haslams.

Dorsey forced the guy to hire and give away playcalling duties to an OC with a history of being an abrasive personality. Real vote of confidence and support there..

Dorsey has made mistakes like any other GM, but Hue doesn’t make his list. And let’s not forget Dorsey is a mere 2 offseasons removed from 0-16.

From what I’ve been told here, rebuilding in the NFL should be a quick turn around. So nah, I’m not going give him that one in regards to being a couple seasons past 0-16.

 

[Triplethreat]

From what I’ve been told here, rebuilding in the NFL should be a quick turn around. So nah, I’m not going give him that one in regards to being a couple seasons past 0-16.

Well then you’d be blatantly wrong considering there has only been 2 0-16 teams in the history of the league.

We’d never seen a team as stripped to the bones as the one we had 2 years ago... There was not one position group you could look at and say we were good there.

 

[BMAN]

Well then you’d be blatantly wrong considering there has only been 2 0-16 teams in the history of the league.

We’d never seen a team as stripped to the bones as the one we had 2 years ago... There was not one position group you could look at and say we were good there.

It’s like you didn’t read my post. The offensive line was pretty good, too bad your buddy boy fucked it up.

 

[Cassity14]

It’s like you didn’t read my post. The offensive line was pretty good, too bad your buddy boy fucked it up.

Yeah fuck Dorsey for forcing Joe Thomas into retirement.

 

[chrisrich91]

From what I’ve been told here, rebuilding in the NFL should be a quick turn around. So nah, I’m not going give him that one in regards to being a couple seasons past 0-16.

Sure, there are examples of quick turnarounds in the NFL. And I wish we could have been one of those stories.

But the reality of the situation is the Browns are a bad organization. They have deep, systemic issues. The Cleveland Browns reclamation project was never going to be one of those quick turnarounds, and shame on us for thinking it could be.

Dorsey is a solid GM with presence and enough of a track record to stave off at least a good chunk of ownership's meddling in football affairs. He's had 2 offseasons so far to rebuild a football team from the studs. He's done a good job overall, in my opinion. Has he made mistakes? Of course. But he has not been nearly bad enough to make me want to blow this thing up again anytime soon.

Get the coach right and address OL. Those two improvements in addition to the NFL's 3rd youngest roster growing a year older...I think you'll see a world of difference.