Grade Our Draft

[Mac]

He runs very hard...he has one of the best stiff arms in the NFL. His rookie year was a highlight film. Plus he has good speed.

He got suspended for a DUI, so what are you talking about? Portis has sure helped the Redskins become a good team, wow...great selection there.

WG never had a chance here...unfortunently he had the wife thing and the DUI and that killed him. Very rarely do you get second chances in the NFL.

Ive moved on..we will do with Rube for now, but in the AFC North we need a back that the other teams defense has to worry about. We don't have that yet and I cant see us contending until we do.

 

[cdt]

Portis wasn't drafted by the Redskins Mac. He was drafted by the Broncos played 2 years there and was dealt straight up for Champ Bailey.

 

[Mac]

Uhm..yeah. I know that.

 

[PIP]

I'm more worried about the QB than the RB... If we had a uber talented QB or atleast a real decent QB, Rube can win us a SB as the back....

If Antowain Smith and Michael Pittman can win SB's in the last 4 years as RB's, i'm sure Rube could as well if he had the overall talent around him...RB is the least of our problems...

Rube is not the problem... Our QB with a school girl arm is going to be the problem if we have problems...I don't know if Charlie's playmaking ability is going to be enough to overcome some of his overall short comings...Maybe he comes out and displays a poise and sound fundamental game that will get it done..

But I do like the offensive talent around him if healthy... If Winslow, Edwards, JJ, Northcutt and Rube can all stay healthy and perform well, that should make for a steady offense... Plus, all reports have this Wilson reciever as a real positive pickup for the Browns that will make tough catches in the middle of the field and in the red zone...

I'm not sure about Harrison as our Burner back... But I do like the fact that they got a change of pace type of back to compliment Rube's tough yards...

And lets keep in mind we did improve the O-Line this offseason... So that should obviously really help out this run game and passing attack despite a Charlie's noodle arm.. Having K2 should really help out Charlie for the short game...

And that's just the offense... I'm really excited about this team's defense... I really like the linebacking core, and I think the sleeper could be the Williams guy from the Hurricanes... I can't wait to see Jackson out there roaming around... I'll take a wait and see approach on Kamerion just because of the difficulty of the rush.... But I truly believe Jackson is going to be a future probowler for this team...

The secondary with a healthy Baxter and an improving Bodden will be fun to watch.... The question will be Pool and how he improves.. I like Pool though and I look forward to seeing Hamilton as well... I expect him to obviously be a special teamer, but the from all that has been printed, he seems to be a hard hitter...

I wasn't really excited about seeing the Browns last season... It's always fun when the season starts and all that, but there really wasn't a true excitment around the team... This season however is much different... I love the fact that this team went defense in the draft and is pinning their focus on that aspect of the field, all the while not forgetting about improving the O-Line in free agency...

I do wish we had a QB that was guaranteed to be pretty good and not a project... But, I do like the direction the team is moving in and the stamp Romeo and Savage has put on this team...

 

[Mac]

I agree with pretty much everything you say except for a couple things..

Im not excited about the defense. In the 3-4, it doesnt matter how good your LBs are if your DL is terrible.

Right now, we have one and a half cogs. Ted is old, Roye is solid but we have no RE. Ask Ray Lewis how tough it is without a good DL.

Until we get that adressed, our LBs don't mean anything.

Plus our safties are weak...I know they are young, but there isnt anything there that excites me.

I am lookng forward to our new LBing corps, however. I still see us finishing last in the division, esp if the Ravens get McNair. We have a lot of work to do, but progress has been made.

 

[cdt]

Mac if the Browns could draft Brady Quinn in 07 should we do it? In your opinion since you've seen him play more then the rest of us..

I think we should push for Adrian Peterson possibly next season, I really like that kid. Mac I think you'll be surprised by our secondary, the LB core is awesome and we can add a DE on the June 1st cuts..

 

[Mac]

Brady will be a top three pick, we won't be picking that low.

Id much rather draft a DE or a DT.

One way or the other, we have to build that line and the patches are OK for now, but we gotta start drafting those guys early to have a foundation that will last a while.

 

[cdt]

If Reggie can fall to number 2 I think Brady could fall like Leinart..

 

[PIP]

I agree... I think our D-Line will be very servicable this season.. But not after this year..

I think with just the slightest improvement with Ted in the middle we should be able to catch a glimpse into what Andra, Chaun (who will play inside according to Romeo) can do.... and what our new young LB's can do..

I'm excited about that... Also, if they do perform well with this older frontline, just imagine what will happen when Phil and Romeo get that stud tackle to free up the Lb's...

 

[cavincali]

I agree with pretty much everything you say except for a couple things..

Im not excited about the defense. In the 3-4, it doesnt matter how good your LBs are if your DL is terrible.

Right now, we have one and a half cogs. Ted is old, Roye is solid but we have no RE. Ask Ray Lewis how tough it is without a good DL.

Until we get that adressed, our LBs don't mean anything.

Plus our safties are weak...I know they are young, but there isnt anything there that excites me.

I am lookng forward to our new LBing corps, however. I still see us finishing last in the division, esp if the Ravens get McNair. We have a lot of work to do, but progress has been made.

Thats not entirely true and is a very bad comparison.

The Ravesn defense was one of the best in the entire NFL with the so-called bad d-line. The Browns rush defesne sucked, a lot of that was because of ben failure.

Do you remember all of the time taylor missed tackles which created 10+ gains. If you eliminate all of the horrible plays of ben taylor/lang/thompson the defense is a hell of a lot better.

If linebackers didnt mean anything than you would be satisfied with 4 ben failers behind a great d-line. I dont think so bro.

 

[TrueCavsFan23]

mark schlereth and salisbury said us and i forgot what other team had the best drafts out of everyone.i am just very big on our first 2 picks and cant wait to see jerome harrison in preseason.

 

[Mac]

Ravens didnt have a very good defense last year and what plays did Thompson blow? He was our second most solid LB last year next to Davis.

The DL for the Ravens stunk and everybody is looking around and wondering why all their stats are down across the board for their LBs.

They still have a very good secondary and a very good LB corp, but back when they had the hogmollis on the DL the defense was untouchable. That defense won a superbowl, they lost that DL and now they are tied for last in the AFC North, think about it...

Quinn wont fall, because unlike Lienart, he doesn't have the Hollywood Joe personality, a huge knock on Matt and he has a very strong arm, compared to Matt who has a weak arm. Brady is also much much stronger and has a better pocket presence than Matt does.

Quinn is a prototype NFL QB, he will be a flat out stud. His mechanics are near perfect, he has good feet, good size, great arm strength and pretty good accuracy.

 

[cdt]

But in the end AJ is bangin Quinn's sister..AJ is a bigger stud :chuckles:

 

[cavincali]

Ravens didnt have a very good defense last year and what plays did Thompson blow? He was our second most solid LB last year next to Davis.

The DL for the Ravens stunk and everybody is looking around and wondering why all their stats are down across the board for their LBs.

They still have a very good secondary and a very good LB corp, but back when they had the hogmollis on the DL the defense was untouchable. That defense won a superbowl, they lost that DL and now they are tied for last in the AFC North, think about it...

Quinn wont fall, because unlike Lienart, he doesn't have the Hollywood Joe personality, a huge knock on Matt and he has a very strong arm, compared to Matt who has a weak arm. Brady is also much much stronger and has a better pocket presence than Matt does.

Quinn is a prototype NFL QB, he will be a flat out stud. His mechanics are near perfect, he has good feet, good size, great arm strength and pretty good accuracy.

They didnt have a very good defense, are you kidding.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ypg&pos=def&league=nfl&year=2005&season=2

Come on and diffuse these "worthless" stats. The 5th best defense is "not a very good defense", come on bro.

Yes there stats went down, but it went from out of this world to very very good.

Why they werent good last year. Think about who there quaterback is bro. You have said before if they had a decent quaterback they would be good. Did you just start watching football last year??? What happened to there running game??? A lot of things were different from that superbowl team.

 

[Mac]

That is not reflective of their defense. They gave up .1 less PPG than we did, did we have a good defense last year? No.

You gave the exact reason on why their defense, in YPG looks good. They had so many short fields to work with, that the opposing teams did not have a lof of ground to cover.

They had Dilfer as the QB the super bowl year, he is about the same level of talent of Boeller. Name the WRs that year too, Desmond Mason and Todd Heap are there now. Jammal Lewis is going to have a great year. The guy was in jail last off-season, it was obvious his game was going to suffer. They have an aging OL as well, but even with all that, with a good DL that is a playoff team.

and Quinns sister is ugly, so banging her isnt the biggest deal in the world. But considering how hideous AJ Hawk looks, I guess it does have the beauty and the beast thing going on..