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So talk to me like a 2-year old........if no deal is struck with Diamond and MLB doesn't step in and Amazon doesn't grab the rights for Cleveland, will there still be games broadcasted SOMEWHERE in the aether for me to watch?
 
Otsego Mar said:
So talk to me like a 2-year old........if no deal is struck with Diamond and MLB doesn't step in and Amazon doesn't grab the rights for Cleveland, will there still be games broadcasted SOMEWHERE in the aether for me to watch?
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Yes.. probably...
 
Otsego Mar said:
So talk to me like a 2-year old........if no deal is struck with Diamond and MLB doesn't step in and Amazon doesn't grab the rights for Cleveland, will there still be games broadcasted SOMEWHERE in the aether for me to watch?
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Yes because I said so.
 
Otsego Mar said:
So talk to me like a 2-year old........if no deal is struck with Diamond and MLB doesn't step in and Amazon doesn't grab the rights for Cleveland, will there still be games broadcasted SOMEWHERE in the aether for me to watch?
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If you live outside the Cleveland territory the games would be on the opponent's broadcast on the Extra Innings package at a minimum.
 
Yes I believe Padres fans had to pay a little extra for MLB TV to watch their games.
 
Revenue figures cited are for local broadcasting contracts only.

  • Angels: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues around $125MM (reported by Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times in February ’23).
  • Astros: Formed joint venture with NBA’s Rockets to run Space City Home Network beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet Southwest had paid $73MM in ’23 (reported by David Barron of the Houston Chronicle in November ’23).
  • Athletics: RSN deal with NBC Sports California. ’23 revenue: $67MM (reported by John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle). Contract expires once A’s leave the Bay Area.
  • Blue Jays: Owned by Rogers Communications, which distributes games via Sportsnet. All broadcast revenues unreported.
  • Braves: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues north of $100MM (reported by Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in November ’21).
  • Brewers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $33MM
  • Cardinals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’24 revenue expected to be around $73MM (reported by Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in January ’24)
  • Cubs: Owners of Marquee Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $99MM
  • Diamondbacks: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $68MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in June ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Dodgers: Co-owners of Spectrum SportsNet LA. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $196MM.
  • Giants: RSN/partial ownership deal with NBC Sports Bay Area. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $92MM.
  • Guardians: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. ’23 revenue: $55MM (reported by Paul Hoynes of Cleveland.com in November ’23).
  • Mariners: Assumed full ownership of ROOT Sports Northwest beginning in 2024. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $100MM.
  • Marlins: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $49MM.
  • Mets: RSN deal with SNY. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $88MM.
  • Nationals: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Orioles: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Padres: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $47MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in May ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Phillies: RSN deal with NBC Sports Philadelphia. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $125MM.
  • Pirates: Formed joint venture with NHL’s Penguins to operate SportsNet Pittsburgh beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet paid roughly $50-60MM annually (reported by Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in December ’23).
  • Rangers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. Deal has paid $111MM annually to this point (reported by Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News in January ’24).
  • Rays: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $56MM.
  • Red Sox: Co-owners of New England Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $97MM.
  • Reds: RSN/partial ownership deal with Diamond Sports Group pays roughly $60MM annually (reported by Gordon Wittenmyer of the Cincinnati Enquirer in December ’23).
  • Rockies: No RSN contract. Previous deal dropped by AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain after 2023. MLB expected to handle in-market broadcasting in 2024. Previous deal paid roughly $57MM in ’23 (reported by Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post in January ’24).
  • Royals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $45MM.
  • Tigers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group.’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Twins: No current RSN contract. Previous deal with Diamond Sports Group, which expired after 2023 season, paid $54MM in ’23 (reported by Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune in January ’24). Twins could renegotiate new deal with Diamond.
  • White Sox: RSN deal with NBC Sports Chicago. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Yankees: Co-owners of YES Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $143MM.
 
DCTribefan said:
Revenue figures cited are for local broadcasting contracts only.

  • Angels: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues around $125MM (reported by Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times in February ’23).
  • Astros: Formed joint venture with NBA’s Rockets to run Space City Home Network beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet Southwest had paid $73MM in ’23 (reported by David Barron of the Houston Chronicle in November ’23).
  • Athletics: RSN deal with NBC Sports California. ’23 revenue: $67MM (reported by John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle). Contract expires once A’s leave the Bay Area.
  • Blue Jays: Owned by Rogers Communications, which distributes games via Sportsnet. All broadcast revenues unreported.
  • Braves: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues north of $100MM (reported by Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in November ’21).
  • Brewers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $33MM
  • Cardinals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’24 revenue expected to be around $73MM (reported by Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in January ’24)
  • Cubs: Owners of Marquee Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $99MM
  • Diamondbacks: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $68MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in June ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Dodgers: Co-owners of Spectrum SportsNet LA. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $196MM.
  • Giants: RSN/partial ownership deal with NBC Sports Bay Area. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $92MM.
  • Guardians: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. ’23 revenue: $55MM (reported by Paul Hoynes of Cleveland.com in November ’23).
  • Mariners: Assumed full ownership of ROOT Sports Northwest beginning in 2024. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $100MM.
  • Marlins: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $49MM.
  • Mets: RSN deal with SNY. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $88MM.
  • Nationals: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Orioles: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Padres: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $47MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in May ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Phillies: RSN deal with NBC Sports Philadelphia. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $125MM.
  • Pirates: Formed joint venture with NHL’s Penguins to operate SportsNet Pittsburgh beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet paid roughly $50-60MM annually (reported by Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in December ’23).
  • Rangers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. Deal has paid $111MM annually to this point (reported by Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News in January ’24).
  • Rays: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $56MM.
  • Red Sox: Co-owners of New England Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $97MM.
  • Reds: RSN/partial ownership deal with Diamond Sports Group pays roughly $60MM annually (reported by Gordon Wittenmyer of the Cincinnati Enquirer in December ’23).
  • Rockies: No RSN contract. Previous deal dropped by AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain after 2023. MLB expected to handle in-market broadcasting in 2024. Previous deal paid roughly $57MM in ’23 (reported by Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post in January ’24).
  • Royals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $45MM.
  • Tigers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group.’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Twins: No current RSN contract. Previous deal with Diamond Sports Group, which expired after 2023 season, paid $54MM in ’23 (reported by Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune in January ’24). Twins could renegotiate new deal with Diamond.
  • White Sox: RSN deal with NBC Sports Chicago. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Yankees: Co-owners of YES Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $143MM.
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Brewers are quite the outlier! Interesting that the NY teams lag behind the LA teams by almost 40%.
 
So we're being held hostage by Diamond is what I'm reading. Either take a shitty deal or get even less money from MLB.
 
eChameleon said:
So we're being held hostage by Diamond is what I'm reading. Either take a shitty deal or get even less money from MLB.
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That's my take as well. They'll be on the TV somewhere though.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the stadium naming rights are up for grab next year. I would do a deal with Diamond for the 2024 season, and then ditch both them and Progressive for 2025 onwards for something better.
 
DCTribefan said:
Revenue figures cited are for local broadcasting contracts only.

  • Angels: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues around $125MM (reported by Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times in February ’23).
  • Astros: Formed joint venture with NBA’s Rockets to run Space City Home Network beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet Southwest had paid $73MM in ’23 (reported by David Barron of the Houston Chronicle in November ’23).
  • Athletics: RSN deal with NBC Sports California. ’23 revenue: $67MM (reported by John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle). Contract expires once A’s leave the Bay Area.
  • Blue Jays: Owned by Rogers Communications, which distributes games via Sportsnet. All broadcast revenues unreported.
  • Braves: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. Expected ’23 revenues north of $100MM (reported by Tim Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in November ’21).
  • Brewers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $33MM
  • Cardinals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’24 revenue expected to be around $73MM (reported by Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in January ’24)
  • Cubs: Owners of Marquee Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $99MM
  • Diamondbacks: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $68MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in June ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Dodgers: Co-owners of Spectrum SportsNet LA. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $196MM.
  • Giants: RSN/partial ownership deal with NBC Sports Bay Area. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $92MM.
  • Guardians: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. ’23 revenue: $55MM (reported by Paul Hoynes of Cleveland.com in November ’23).
  • Mariners: Assumed full ownership of ROOT Sports Northwest beginning in 2024. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $100MM.
  • Marlins: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $49MM.
  • Mets: RSN deal with SNY. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $88MM.
  • Nationals: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Orioles: Co-owners of Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $61MM.*
  • Padres: No RSN contract. Previous deal, which had paid $47MM in 2022, dropped by Diamond Sports Group in May ’23. MLB handling in-market broadcasting in 2024.
  • Phillies: RSN deal with NBC Sports Philadelphia. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $125MM.
  • Pirates: Formed joint venture with NHL’s Penguins to operate SportsNet Pittsburgh beginning in 2024. Previous RSN deal with AT&T SportsNet paid roughly $50-60MM annually (reported by Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in December ’23).
  • Rangers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group being renegotiated at a lower price. Deal has paid $111MM annually to this point (reported by Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News in January ’24).
  • Rays: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $56MM.
  • Red Sox: Co-owners of New England Sports Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $97MM.
  • Reds: RSN/partial ownership deal with Diamond Sports Group pays roughly $60MM annually (reported by Gordon Wittenmyer of the Cincinnati Enquirer in December ’23).
  • Rockies: No RSN contract. Previous deal dropped by AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain after 2023. MLB expected to handle in-market broadcasting in 2024. Previous deal paid roughly $57MM in ’23 (reported by Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post in January ’24).
  • Royals: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $45MM.
  • Tigers: RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group.’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Twins: No current RSN contract. Previous deal with Diamond Sports Group, which expired after 2023 season, paid $54MM in ’23 (reported by Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune in January ’24). Twins could renegotiate new deal with Diamond.
  • White Sox: RSN deal with NBC Sports Chicago. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $60MM.
  • Yankees: Co-owners of YES Network. ’23 figure unreported; ’22 revenue: $143MM.
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So Basically - unless you are a top 11 team, you are not beating other teams by much (e.g. If Guard gets their $55 last year vs $60 proj, Astros get $73 million ($18 million more but then 48% gets shared as ticket, promo, tv revenue with others). Sure ticket and boxes are more of a difference in our pleading poor.

85+ million (11 teams) - Dodgers (196), Yankees (143), Phillies(125), Rangers(111 but being renegoc), Mariners (100), Braves(100), Cubs(99), RedSox(97), Giants(92), Toronto???, Mets(88)

Upper Middle tier - Astros(73), Cardinals(73), Diamondbacks (were 68, now less?), As(67 for now)
Lower middle -- Nationals(61), Balt(61) CWS(60), Tigers(60), Reds (60), Rockies(57), Rays (56), Pirates (50-60), Guardians (were 55) -- so in bottom 6-7 of league

Lower tier (4) - Marlins (49), Padres (were 47 before MLB) Royals(45), Brewers(33)

Twins?
 
So here is the situation today as it stands:
The new deadline is February 1st.
On that date the Guardians can accept or decline an offer from Bally's to broadcast the 2024 games. The offer is reduced from the original signed contract.

the Guardians decline Bally's offer, they will have the opportunity to have their games broadcast on MLB.TV. (no local blackout), also at a reduced rate.

My question is - are there any other options? Do the Guards then have the option to negotiate with another service like NESN, NBC Sports, MASN?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So here is the situation today as it stands:
The new deadline is February 1st.
On that date the Guardians can accept or decline an offer from Bally's to broadcast the 2024 games. The offer is reduced from the original signed contract.

the Guardians decline Bally's offer, they will have the opportunity to have their games broadcast on MLB.TV. (no local blackout), also at a reduced rate.

My question is - are there any other options? Do the Guards then have the option to negotiate with another service like NESN, NBC Sports, MASN?
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NESN and MASN are regional sports networks outside of Ohio so not sure how the would be in the mix.
 
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