Indians Ownership Discussion

[The Oi]

First of all, not Kosher, 2nd its not my last name.

Fishmonger?

 

[Kevalier]

And his other businesses, that he doesn’t meddle in? Do those count?

I'm not aware of his level of involvement with his other businesses. I do know of his notorious meddling with the Cavs, which is much more relevant in my opinion since it's also a professional sports franchise.

 

[xmasbuck]

Trust me when I say that the way the team spends would not change substantially regardless of who owns the team or whether or not they have a minority owner

man, I trust you when you post re analytics, but didnt our payroll change when we had Sherman as a minority owner - or, are we defining "substantially" differently

 

[Lee]

Fishmonger?

Better, not my last name, but better.

Not only Kosher, but you can eat fish with dairy too, so its super Kosher, lol

 

[Derek]

man, I trust you when you post re analytics, but didnt our payroll change when we had Sherman as a minority owner - or, are we defining "substantially" differently

It changed a little. Tough to gauge how much really.

I responded to a post that seemed excited at the prospect of unlimited/uncapped resources. Those are unrealistic expectations.

We had a middle-of-the-pack payroll coming off a World Series trip, that's approximately where we max out unless something drastically changes regarding the money the team brings in via TV deals, tickets, etc.

 

[Lee]

Have to remember. Lots of owners meddle. Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder….Jimmy. Difference between NFL, NBA and MLB is the cap.
Gilbert could have unlimited/uncapped resources.

You take the good with the bad.

I dont think he throws in 100 million of his own money a year toward payroll. I think the Indians get a much better TV deal, but it wont be Yankees or Dodger level and we have a hard time getting even 2 mill much less the 3 mill those top spending organizations get in attendance.

 

[B Mac]

Trust me when I say that the way the team spends would not change substantially regardless of who owns the team or whether or not they have a minority owner

Respectfully, your MLB knowledge is fantastic, but I personally don't agree that you can make a definitive statement like this. Substantially might be subjective, but doubling or tripling the current payroll? That would be pretty drastic and would still put us about middle of the pack, which might not be out of the realm of possiblity.

Unless you are comparing our payroll during the World Series run, then I am in more agreement with you.

edit: You responded to someone else as I was typing my post. Makes sense.

 

[Derek]

Respectfully, your MLB knowledge is fantastic, but I personally don't agree that you can make a definitive statement like this. Substantially might be subjective, but doubling or tripling the current payroll? That would be pretty drastic and would still put us about middle of the pack, which might not be out of the realm of possiblity.

Unless you are comparing our payroll during the World Series run, then I am in more agreement with you.

The current payroll isn't indicative of what the Dolans are willing to spend though. We had $100 million+ payroll before Sherman arrived in 2016. It just so happens that a lot of the guys we had previously spent money on aged out around the same time.

Here's my follow-up post that might clarify my position.

It changed a little. Tough to gauge how much really.

I responded to a post that seemed excited at the prospect of unlimited/uncapped resources. Those are unrealistic expectations.

We had a middle-of-the-pack payroll coming off a World Series trip, that's approximately where we max out unless something drastically changes regarding the money the team brings in via TV deals, tickets, etc.

 

[CATS44]

Again, in spite of protests otherwise, there is nothing major in the article that wasn't known previously, except a name.

The name could be accurate, or it could be due diligence...as in the Indians inquired about the availability of player X.

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I doubt that a new owner with larger pockets would mean a huge instant increase in annual payroll. These guys are, afterall, in it to make money. But more financial resources mean bigger margins for error, which means somewhat more likelihood of taking a chance when the time is right. Paul Dolan can't afford the mistake that a guy worth three times as much can.

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Meddling ownership is something to be devoutly avoided at nearly all costs. A town that has seen the likes of Modell, Stepian, Haslam, and Gilbert should know that better than anybody.

Not to mention the messy ownership in 1957, in which then part owner-GM Hank Greenberg tried to secretly move the team to Milwaukee. That led to the hiring of Frank Lane, which eventually cost us Maris, Cash, Colavito and led to 30 years in the wilderness.

My hope and my guess is that any potential ownership change would include assurances that the FO would remain intact and in control....although there is no way to set such assurances in concrete.

 

[sportscoach]

First of all, not Kosher, 2nd its not my last name.

@The Oi as well

is Lee desperate now to the nicknamed last name of pigfucker?

 

[sportscoach]

Again, in spite of protests otherwise, there is nothing major in the article that wasn't known previously, except a name.

The name could be accurate, or it could be due diligence...as in the Indians inquired about the availability of player X.

**********

I doubt that a new owner with larger pockets would mean a huge instant increase in annual payroll. These guys are, afterall, in it to make money. But more financial resources mean bigger margins for error, which means somewhat more likelihood of taking a chance when the time is right. Paul Dolan can't afford the mistake that a guy worth three times as much can.

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Meddling ownership is something to be devoutly avoided at nearly all costs. A town that has seen the likes of Modell, Stepian, Haslam, and Gilbert should know that better than anybody.

Not to mention the messy ownership in 1957, in which then part owner-GM Hank Greenberg tried to secretly move the team to Milwaukee. That led to the hiring of Frank Lane, which eventually cost us Maris, Cash, Colavito and led to 30 years in the wilderness.

My hope and my guess is that any potential ownership change would include assurances that the FO would remain intact and in control....although there is no way to set such assurances in concrete.

I have a hunch Dolan is transitioning to someone who is willing to respect what is in place and keep the team in Cleveland. I don't see them actually going anywhere or the FO getting changed.

 

[The Oi]

@The Oi as well

is Lee desperate now to the nicknamed last name of pigfucker?

I think its weird that he’s denying it, but that’s his prerogative.

 

[Lee]

I think its weird that he’s denying it, but that’s his prerogative.

You fuck one pig and suddenly you are labeled for life.

 

[sportscoach]

You fuck one pig and suddenly you are labeled for life.

What happens if that pig was a MILF though? lol

 

[Lee]

What happens if that pig was a MILF though? lol

PILF