Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[J_J]

Okoro is not the problem last night. He did a good job defensively in that first half with 2 good back to back plays on defense.

With Wade off yesterday, some of those minutes should be going to Lamar and getting Neto involved to use the bench more. Neto for setting the stone in offense. Lamar could help to bring some energy off the bench.

 

[BiGZD]

At this point he needs to be taken completely out of the rotation. His plus/minus is the opposite of Loves and I have yet to see him make a 3 this season. His minutes are better off going to Lamar at least he can score and not get blown by.

 

[letgocavs]

Was the highest plus minus. Good game

 

[BigZ94]

Was the highest plus minus. Good game

He played garbage minutes in a blowout

 

[letgocavs]

He played garbage minutes in a blowout

He was on the floor for the comeback.

 

[Benway]

Jim Chones loves him some Okoro.

Jim Chones.

 

[gambler]

I also think it's quite possible that JBB went to bat to draft Okoro and may have been overconfident that he could develop Okoro to be worth the #5 pick. There could be lingering feelings to prove that he was right or just not completely wrong on Okoro.

i think its quite possible that Altman went to bat to draft Okoro and may have been overconfident that JBB could develop Okoro to be worth the #5 pick. There could be lingering feelings to prove that he was right or just not completely wrong on Okoro so hes making JBB play Okoro.


See how easy it is to spin something to conform to your predispositions?

When making critical decisions...like resting allen, darius and donovan when they are physically not 100 percent....he has done so.

the rest of all this monday morning, arm-chair quarterback jibberish people need to let the season play out.... and especially the playoffs....where it all matters....

 

[I'mWithDan]

The standard for this guy is so low, it at least makes me laugh.

Okoro has played the 4th most minutes of any player in the 2020 draft......surpassed only by Edwards, Bey and Haliburton......and he's one of the worst producers in the entire draft class.

The minute load he's been given, relative to how bad of a player he is is kind of embarrassing at this point. We were obviously in a rebuild, that unexpectedly accelerated but it is truly crazy how many minutes he's been given thus far and how little he has developed.

We are nearly 4500 minutes in to his career and the standard is "Well, at least he made 1 shot and played semi competent defense!".

 

[mAo_mAo]

Lamar is flat out better.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I also think it's quite possible that JBB went to bat to draft Okoro and may have been overconfident that he could develop Okoro to be worth the #5 pick. There could be lingering feelings to prove that he was right or just not completely wrong on Okoro.

It isn't something unique to JBB or Koby.......people overrate intangibles and work ethic when they like a players' personality and tools. There are countless examples of this, even if Okoro is one of the worst. Talent evaluators tend to vastly overestimate their ability to develop players at the NBA level, even though just 1 out of every 500 of these types tends to truly succeed.

The mark of a competent evaluator is understanding when it is time to move on. I think Koby did a stellar job of unclogging the guard position and I would suspect, regardless of what JBB does or doesn't think about Okoro, that his time will be coming soon too if something doesn't meaningfully change.

 

[Cavatt]

The standard for this guy is so low, it at least makes me laugh.

Okoro has played the 4th most minutes of any player in the 2020 draft......surpassed only by Edwards, Bey and Haliburton......and he's one of the worst producers in the entire draft class.

The minute load he's been given, relative to how bad of a player he is is kind of embarrassing at this point. We were obviously in a rebuild, that unexpectedly accelerated but it is truly crazy how many minutes he's been given thus far and how little he has developed.

We are nearly 4500 minutes in to his career and the standard is "Well, at least he made 1 shot and played semi competent defense!".

I guess it is semi-competent defense, but over and over we see guy truly destroying like Russell last night and he cools them off.

 

[inliner311]

i think its quite possible that Altman went to bat to draft Okoro and may have been overconfident that JBB could develop Okoro to be worth the #5 pick. There could be lingering feelings to prove that he was right or just not completely wrong on Okoro so hes making JBB play Okoro.


See how easy it is to spin something to conform to your predispositions?

When making critical decisions...like resting allen, darius and donovan when they are physically not 100 percent....he has done so.

the rest of all this monday morning, arm-chair quarterback jibberish people need to let the season play out.... and especially the playoffs....where it all matters....

I would have been fine to have a conversation about the flip side of what I said, I think there is merit in that. Forums like this are made from people just talking and being arm chair QBs. I've seen many forums die or have no one actually realy use them because their user base doesn't actually like having conversations. It's like on car forums when users are constantly telling people to "search" the forums instead of just answering the questions. If no one is being an arm chair QB, sports forums would slowly erode to zero conversations and there would be no one to talk to.

 

[inliner311]

I guess it is semi-competent defense, but over and over we see guy truly destroying like Russell last night and he cools them off.

I do think Okoro has his place as a specialist but a lot of times JBB has decided to use him beyond the specialist role. At this point, I think most people want Okoro to earn his minutes on both sides of the ball.

 

[Cavatt]

I do think Okoro has his place as a specialist but a lot of times JBB has decided to use him beyond the specialist role. At this point, I think most people want Okoro to earn his minutes on both sides of the ball.

I agree with the earn his minutes crowd. He has earned them more lately, but not to the extent he is getting this long leash. Stevens had his moments on offense last night, but he was not the stopper people were claiming.

 

[Jscc]

I agree with the earn his minutes crowd. He has earned them more lately, but not to the extent he is getting this long leash. Stevens had his moments on offense last night, but he was not the stopper people were claiming.

Stevens did an excellent job on Edwards last night.