Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[Randolphkeys]

Someone help me here.

I really do believe if he were on any other team, any other team, he'd be playing essentially zero minutes and that would have been the case last year. Let alone this year.

Short answer: If this were 2020 and Okoro were a third year player on another contending roster, half of RCF would be coming up with trade scenarios to give him a change of scenery on a rebuilding roster.

I've never been a big Okoro guy, but I do get why he is given chances. If you draft a raw guy and never play him, you can be 100% sure he never develops.

His scoring has a wide variance while his defense is consistently strong. He can play 20 minutes a game on a team that cares less about wins. His ceiling is still around the Caron Butler area, it's just taking too damn long.

 

[CroopZ23]

I'll have to do some research but I think you'd be hardpressed to find a team who was THIS committed a really bad draft pick.

I'm thinking of guys that I previously was open to Cavs drafting who have turned into busts.

Kevin Knox, Jarret Culver...guys like that were struggling to get into the game their FIRST year. When it's all potential and the team sucks and you don't care if they suck and help you lose. Even then those guys were struggling for rotation minutes.

Here we are, in year 3, and this dude is getting major minutes despite having developed essentially zero on a team trying to win.


I can't think of anything comparable.

Someone help me here.

I really do believe if he were on any other team, any other team, he'd be playing essentially zero minutes and that would have been the case last year. Let alone this year.

Kinda reminds me of when we had to endure Eric Snow as a starting point guard on a team with championship aspirations. Different altogether from your draft pick point but both are egregious examples of ineptitude...especially the idea of playing a guard heavy minutes by virtue of defense alone.

 

[Cement]

I'll have to do some research but I think you'd be hardpressed to find a team who was THIS committed a really bad draft pick.

I'm thinking of guys that I previously was open to Cavs drafting who have turned into busts.

Kevin Knox, Jarret Culver...guys like that were struggling to get into the game their FIRST year. When it's all potential and the team sucks and you don't care if they suck and help you lose. Even then those guys were struggling for rotation minutes.

Here we are, in year 3, and this dude is getting major minutes despite having developed essentially zero on a team trying to win.


I can't think of anything comparable.

Someone help me here.

I really do believe if he were on any other team, any other team, he'd be playing essentially zero minutes and that would have been the case last year. Let alone this year.

Desagna Diop or Sasha Pavlovic come to mind.

 

[red.]

I’d like to see Okoro play PF. He’s starting to rebound. Maybe he needs to be in the elbow/post?

Neto, Caris, Cedi, Okoro, Mobley/Lopez?

 

[Rich]

Desagna Diop or Sasha Pavlovic come to mind.

I'm gonna look this up but I don't feel like Diop had nearly this long of a leash this far into it.

Yea I looked it up not even close. Guy didn't even average 7 minutes a game in his first year and through his first 3 years only started in 5 total games.

 

[Jscc]

While I agree with you 100%, I am more pissed off when he passed on the open shot than when he takes and misses the open shot. He needs to shoot himself into a comfort zone, and a "schedule loss" is exactly where the best coaches let the young guys get some burn.

I agree. It annoys me that he doesn't shoot more than his actual shooting.

 

[Jscc]

I hope he turns it around, I still believe in the kid. The only way he develops is to give him minutes. They asked him to rebuild his shot, usually you're going to suffer a lot of pain while the guy is trying to get the new jumper to stick. For a player that's been slow to develop anyway, adding another difficulty on top of that is going to be challenging to overcome. So they kind of owe it to him to give him minutes, they are heavily invested in this player and it seems that they really do believe he will develop.

I know it's hard for y'all, but this guy is going to need a lot of time. Just be prepared, it's going to be ugly to watch lol but maybe try rooting for the guy? The vitriol doesn't seem to be helping.

Then send him to another team. We got a specific timeline and all those developmental possessions need to go to Mobley.

 

[CroopZ23]

Desagna Diop or Sasha Pavlovic come to mind.

Not sure why but I didn't mind Sasha for some reason...

 

[Cement]

Not sure why but I didn't mind Sasha for some reason...

I couldn't stand him. A more clumsy, out of control Cedi.

 

[CroopZ23]

I couldn't stand him. A more clumsy, out of control Cedi.

Ya. i just looked at his career stats. Pathetic. Not sure why I have fond memories.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Not only was Pavlovic garbage, Utah drafted him and knew he was fool's gold before flipping him to the clueless Jim Paxson for a first rounder.

 

[Jscc]

Ya. i just looked at his career stats. Pathetic. Not sure why I have fond memories.

He was almost exactly like Cedi is probably why. Had his Jekyll and Hyde moments.

I am forever grateful to never have to hear the names Eric Williams, Donyell Marshall, Luke Jackson, Jason Kapono, Ricky Davis, Dajuan Wagner, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, and Darius Miles ever again. It's so upsetting to think LeBron's second best player here in his first stint was Drew fucking Gooden or 95 year old Antawn Jamison. What a disastrous job that front office did.

 

[CroopZ23]

He was almost exactly like Cedi is probably why. Had his Jekyll and Hyde moments.

I am forever grateful to never have to hear the names Eric Williams, Donyell Marshall, Luke Jackson, Jason Kapono, Ricky Davis, Dajuan Wagner, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, and Darius Miles ever again. It's so upsetting to think LeBron's second best player here in his first stint was Drew fucking Gooden or 95 year old Antawn Jamison. What a disastrous job that front office did.

Ya. Long list of scrubs. I think Z was the 2nd best player Bron had- which is pretty sad.

 

[PIP]

I agree cause Z sucked…. A lot…

 

[Jscc]

Ya. Long list of scrubs. I think Z was the 2nd best player Bron had- which is pretty sad.

Loved Z (and Mo too), but if those two are your top options.. you literally need everything LeBron had to do to be competitive. The front office should've done whatever was necessary to get that trade for Amare done.