Jarrett Allen: Nice Head of Hair

[Randolphkeys]

... um yeah, i think that had we taken Bridges and Sexton was putting up these numbers on another team, half of y'all would be standing outside the arena with pitchforks.

Only the slack jawed yokels who don't understand advanced stats and... y'know... own pitchforks in the 21st century.

 

[roozy]

... um yeah, i think that had we taken Bridges and Sexton was putting up these numbers on another team, half of y'all would be standing outside the arena with pitchforks.

Would rather have Bridges

 

[Ozone]

Would rather have Bridges

so you would rather have a role player? lol what a Garland fan you are, that you never stop hating on Sexton to justify it.

 

[MirORich]

Bridges looks nice and is developing as the 4th/5th option behind Booker, CP3, Ayton and on equal ground at the moment with Cam Johnston and Jae Crowder.

It's still hard to say what his ultimate ceiling and production will be and also very difficult to project how he would handle essentially being a 1-3rd option during his first few years here.

Imo, probably way too early to start saying he would have been a better pick in 2018 than Sexton,

 

[cabs]

I would lock him away for 20mil a year but I dont think he gets 25mi from anyone. I reckon we are looking at 18mil, Gobert getting exploited in the playoffs helps us here

 

[roozy]

so you would rather have a role player? lol what a Garland fan you are, that you never stop hating on Sexton to justify it.

It's not about hating Sexton or "stanning Garland". Defense matters in the NBA and I don't see Okoro being nearly as impactful defensively as Bridges due to his size and length.

 

[inliner311]

... um yeah, i think that had we taken Bridges and Sexton was putting up these numbers on another team, half of y'all would be standing outside the arena with pitchforks.

Everyone saying we should have taken Bridges is stretching hindsight alittle too far. We had no clue how other drafts would fall and taking a guy with a lower ceiling wouldn't have been smart. We had no clue we would be left with Garland and Okoro as BPA. We were basically one pick away in each of those drafts from getting guys that were better fits.

It's weird how people knock the first guy we drafted in the rebuild but don't knock the two guys we drafted after him to make his fit worse and worse. I do think we can still fix it without trading or getting rid of any one of the 3 of them, if Koby drafts a wing and a tall PG in the late first or 2nd round this year.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Everyone saying we should have taken Bridges is stretching hindsight alittle too far. We had no clue how other drafts would fall and taking a guy with a lower ceiling wouldn't have been smart. We had no clue we would be left with Garland and Okoro as BPA. We were basically one pick away in each of those drafts from getting guys that were better fits.

It's weird how people knock the first guy we drafted in the rebuild but don't knock the two guys we drafted after him to make his fit worse and worse. I do think we can still fix it without trading or getting rid of any one of the 3 of them, if Koby drafts a wing and a tall PG in the late first or 2nd round this year.

I'll grant that no front office can know exactly where the team will draft a year in advance, nor will they know exactly who will be on the board a year in advance. I us the phrase "hindsight is 20/20" as much as anybody else.

I will direct posters to the first few pages of the Sexton thread. This is not a case of hindsight when a thread reveals actual foresight in real time. I can tell you that a point guard under 6'2 is available in the top eight every year while a good match for a 6'2 shooting guard is rarely available.


My first post in the Sexton thread was for dozens of people to give the pick a shot to work out. That's how many people saw the drawback of beginning a rebuild with a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

I do like Sexton's work ethic. He is a good NBA caliber player. Both of those statements can be equally true to the statement "It's hard to build a young team around Collin Sexton and he would be a smart trade target for a contender, if they are willing to pay fair compensation."

 

[inliner311]

I'll grant that no front office can know exactly where the team will draft a year in advance, nor will they know exactly who will be on the board a year in advance. I us the phrase "hindsight is 20/20" as much as anybody else.

I will direct posters to the first few pages of the Sexton thread. This is not a case of hindsight when a thread reveals actual foresight in real time. I can tell you that a point guard under 6'2 is available in the top eight every year while a good match for a 6'2 shooting guard is rarely available.


My first post in the Sexton thread was for dozens of people to give the pick a shot to work out. That's how many people saw the drawback of beginning a rebuild with a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

I do like Sexton's work ethic. He is a good NBA caliber player. Both of those statements can be equally true to the statement "It's hard to build a young team around Collin Sexton and he would be a smart trade target for a contender, if they are willing to pay fair compensation."

There are a ton of 6'5+ PG in this draft that can help to fix Garland and Sexton as a backcourt. I think there are 10 overall and 7 projected to be late 1st rounders or in 2nd round. Drafting a long term tall backup PG fixes alot of the issues from the small backcourt we have.

I do get that it's hard to build around a small SG but those unique players that we need to adjust for the smaller size guards could make match problems for other teams. Good teams aren't as traditionally build these days, they are built around the talent they have and adjusted for the complimentary talent needed to make it all work.

 

[Ozone]

It's not about hating Sexton or "stanning Garland". Defense matters in the NBA and I don't see Okoro being nearly as impactful defensively as Bridges due to his size and length.

OK but if that was the kind of player the Cavs were interested in Devin Vassell a solid comp to Bridges was available at 5 and they took Isaac.

 

[roozy]

OK but if that was the kind of player the Cavs were interested in Devin Vassell a solid comp to Bridges was available at 5 and they took Isaac.

I wanted Vassell instead of Okoro.

 

[Ozone]

I wanted Vassell instead of Okoro.

Cavs had interest, but I remember hearing Covid travel restrictions made it hard to go to all player workouts,DV was in LA, and it made interview process' more difficult as well for a lot of the options.
I think in a lot of ways Okoro is the better upside player though, so it didn't bother me they picked the guy farther away from being an offensive weapon, unless he has the ball in his hands more like we saw late season.
btw Vassell wingspan is 1/2" longer than Isaac's and Vassell is not the same level of athlete, so that should not be a concern for you given Okoro is clearly a defensive minded player already and younger.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Over two weeks since this thread had any activity and that activity was about Sexton (like every other thread). Odd to me because the Cavaliers might punt any decision on Sexton for up to a year but Jarrett Allen is a RFA on August 2 - less than four weeks from now.

Obviously the draft is the next main event for the Cavaliers but Allen will have to be addressed right after that.

The Allen decision is also important because at the moment we have $0 committed for 2023-24 which is only two seasons away. We’re not going to be contenders for an ECF in those two years (barring some miracle) so we’re building for the future and Allen will be the first real commitment for that future (unless they extend Sexton first).

I expect the Cavaliers to sign him for $20 mil or less per year but the market will have something to say about that and the market for Allen is just a few teams who would want him and have cap space.

Pretty intense activity between the draft and free agency in a short period of time. This is the best place to be for all that but I hope there is some discussion of the Allen decision due to its importance and also because I’m bored with the same Sexton arguments ad nausium.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Watch me flip this: The Sexton conversation is pertinent to Allen. Why?

The Cavs love Allen, do not love overpaying him too much. Knowing Sexton's value around the league could allow the franchise to pull the trigger on Allen's contract. We have learned nobody is going to overpay for Sexton and his value around the league is rightly 6th man.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Watch me flip this: The Sexton conversation is pertinent to Allen. Why?

The Cavs love Allen, do not love overpaying him too much. Knowing Sexton's value around the league could allow the franchise to pull the trigger on Allen's contract. We have learned nobody is going to overpay for Sexton and his value around the league is rightly 6th man.

I honestly think the Cavs will view those two contracts as independent. They're not going to pay Allen more than they think he's worth just because they think Sexton will be cheap, and they're not going to low-ball a valuable piece just because they think Sexton will be expensive. Long-term it doesn't make sense, especially when we will have little long-term money committed and we don't know what the other players on the roster will command. Plus, all they could learn about Sexton is his value at this moment. That could go up or down significantly by the end of the season, so I don't think it would make sense to make a decision on Allen's contract based upon a Sexton contract value that could change substantially.

I think all the gauging of value and possible delay in signing Allen is draft-based. Not only because of who we might draft, but because of any trades made relating to the draft.