Just Want to Throw This Out There....

[Lee]

i have always been a bit suspicious of griffey's hamstring issues. That screams steroid use of some sort. This would bother me alot, because i think of jr as one of the cassiest people in the sport, but i would not be floored if he juiced.(i just hope he didnt, like the guy to much)

 

[_amon _ones]

Griffey doesn't fall into the roid rage, though. He is pretty much all smiles when he's playing. I don't think I've even seen him argue balls and strikes, so he doesn't fit that part of the profile. He's had more than just hammy issues, though. I think his knees are worse, and those (and the shoulder) have come from actual physical injuries. I think a lot of the hammy issues come from over compensation for other injuries.

 

[Cleveland56]

David Eckstein

 

[Lee]

not all people taking bannesdsubstances will have roid rage. Roid rage comes from anablaic steroids only a small portion of the banned substances. Still not saying griffey did, but he should not be above suspission just because he is likeable, and not and "angry" player.

 

[Mac]

i have always been a bit suspicious of griffey's hamstring issues. That screams steroid use of some sort. This would bother me alot, because i think of jr as one of the cassiest people in the sport, but i would not be floored if he juiced.(i just hope he didnt, like the guy to much)

That screams steroids? So every time somebody has a hammy injury, it's steroids?

Hows does a hamstring injury, one of the worlds most occurring injury, scream steroids?

Honestly...where do people come up with this crap?

 

[TrueCavsFan23]

If anybody believes Griffey took roids then they don't know baseball.

 

[Lee]

actually i talked about it from a guy i worked with who played in the nfl for a few seasons. He never amounted to much, was a back running back for the 49'ers (roger craig was the starter) but he went through a list of people that he thought took roids but you wouldnt believe. He said that most of the nfl in 80's took roids, and to some level most do today. He mentioned Griffey specifically as a player who would have taken some banned substance, but you wouldnt expect. The thing that seems to be missed is not all steroids are for getting big like lets say sosa. Alot of them are simply to help recover quicker from injuries. Pitcher took them alot, The first person who got caught in the major leagues hit like 15 career homers.

So yes, i Know baseball. No i am not making this "crap" up. Look at cycling. We all know how huge cyclists get, but they take banned drugs. Its not all about power, it helps with speed and recovery. Its why i think baseball should just say oopps and move on. The list of people on banned drugs would include 50-70% of baseball. And probably most of its stars

 

[James]

I see what your saying Lee, but Griffey had plenty of chances to take steroids when he was injured all those times and could have recovered much faster, instead he went about it the right way and recovered naturally. I hope people in here who want to throw at names at least have a couple reasons, because thinking every guy who hit 30+ homers one year was juicing is pretty ignorant.

 

[TrueCavsFan23]

Griffey's name being brought in this conversation is ignorant IMO.

 

[James]

Ive also heard a rumor a while back that Alonzo Mourning had been on steroids which is part of the reason why his kidneys failed and he was out of basketball, same with Tom Gugliotta.

 

[Lee]

those last 2 are more believable to me, i dont think its ignorant to mention griffey, and one ex athlete mentioning him doesnt make me believe, i was just throwing out there than no one is actually above suspission because of how wide spread it is

 

[_amon _ones]

I see what your saying Lee, but Griffey had plenty of chances to take steroids when he was injured all those times and could have recovered much faster, instead he went about it the right way and recovered naturally. I hope people in here who want to throw at names at least have a couple reasons, because thinking every guy who hit 30+ homers one year was juicing is pretty ignorant.

Griffey has never recovered from any injury fast. That's actually one of the knocks on him. He gets injured and is gone for 2/3 of the year. Of his injury years, in 1995 he played only 72 games; since joining the Reds, he has played over 120 games only twice in 8 seasons. And of the times he played during most of those seasons, he wasn't healthy.

Since joining the Reds:
Year # Games Played

2000 145
2001 111
2002 70
2003 53
2004 83
2005 128
2006 109
2007 106

So I don't see how he could be picked for early recovery roids.

And bicyclists don't get busted for steroids, they get busted for blood doping which is essentially pumping the blood with extra cells for carrying oxygen.

 

[_amon _ones]

I also agree with James that if you are going to throw out names or defend them, give some reasons. Unless you just want to point out that the Yankees suck. You don't need to give any reasons for that, as that is a given.

 

[CornerThree]

Damon has never been a home run guy or power guy. He has never hit more then 25 homers in one year. Its hard to say with some of these guys, i think players who put up big numbers in a contract year are always suspect to using steroids or HGH, most of these guys dont care about records or any of that stuff, they care about the pay day that comes with having a 30 HR 100 RBI and .300 BA one year. You take steroids for 1 season, get all that during a contract year and get a nice little 4 year $25-30 million contract. To them, its worth it.

I don't think it's about power all the time. I just think he has a questionable moral character, and he'd still get an edge from them, even if it didn't result in more homers.

 

[CornerThree]

I thought about Ortiz, too, but the evidence suggests otherwise: Ortiz displayed very good power when he was with the Twins. His low overall numbers dealt more with his batting eye and hitting than with his power. He wasn't as good of a hitter at that time. As he got more selective, and made better contact, his numbers increased. I think the greatest reason for his improvement, though, came from something as simple as moving from first base to DH. He no longer had to worry about his defense, so he could concentrate on hitting. Same with Hafner.

Everyone damns Bonds for how big he got over 15-20 years. David Arias was not a big guy when he debuted either. He may have been a lousy hitter and something clicked in Boston. Or he could have spent the 2002 offseason steroid cycling his ass off, trying to get stronger since the Twins had just cut him. Still, he has a nice swing for Fenway.