Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[bob2the2nd]

Count me out on wanting Little. Three rookies is enough to incorporate. Something like this would work for me, though.

Portland gets: Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Bad contract, Zach Collins, 2020 top-ten protected first, and a 2022 top-ten protected first.

Portland gets; Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Bad contract, Zach Collins, 2020 second round pick, and an unprotected 2021 first

Portland was a top 5 or so team last year. With Love they get better. A first round pick next year is worth in the 25-30 range. That's not a lot of value.

Come 21 they would still have their core intact so once again a 25-30 pick.

22 is the first year a pick from them could have any value. As both Damn and CJ are free agents. So start their looking for future draft picks.

 

[Los216]

Portland was a top 5 or so team last year. With Love they get better. A first round pick next year is worth in the 25-30 range. That's not a lot of value.

Come 21 they would still have their core intact so once again a 25-30 pick.

22 is the first year a pick from them could have any value. As both Damn and CJ are free agents. So start their looking for future draft picks.

If Nassir Little returns to UNC is he picked higher than 25 next year?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

What's the gap between Nas Little and the 25th pick in the draft next season?

I reject your assumption that the future pick would be the #25 pick in the 2020 draft.

Also how are we thinning out the development of our rookies?

Refer to my initial post.

We've seen across all sports that coaching and development are critical in athletes' success. Increasing the number of rookies not only thins out the amount of development and coaching each one receives, but it also makes our situation worse, which leads to less development. It even removes a veteran player from the squad, who may be able to help the rookies along.

Are they only here for one season?

No. This question is stupid. Stop wasting people's time with stupid questions.

And we are way too early in the rebuild and way to in need of talent for their contact extensions being at the same time for that to even be a concern.

Planning is always better than not planning.

cedi is up for an extension next year. Should we avoid acquiring wing players who may get playing time?

No. This question is stupid. Stop wasting people's time with stupid questions.

If Cedi is not the most valuable wing player on ur team next season then that's a problem for Cedi and not for the team.

Where did this Cedi rant come from? You brought him up, and now you're acting like it's a crux of everyone else's argument. All we said was it's better to get future assets for Love than Nassir Little. Stop getting so far off-track.

That's why you don't put a limit on investing in young talent.

Not a single person is arguing for a "limit on investing in young talent."

When you aren't signing FA's who aren't hometown kids you don't have the luxury to pass on adding prospects because you think you have too many.

Not a single person is arguing for a "passing on adding prospects because you think you have too many."

Me personally, I do not believe that Cedi or Zizic have earned a spot on this team beyond next season.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The only players who I fully expect to be on this team beyond next season are Garland, Windler, Porter Jr, and Nance. I would add Sexton to that group but with the team drafting Garland at #5 is do not believe his spot is safe.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

That said if you have to opportunity to choose between Nas Little who was rated higher than pick #25 or the projected 25th pick next year

That's not the discussion. Stop making things up to support your bad take. Remember, these are the picks we are discussing:

Portland gets: Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Bad contract, Zach Collins, 2020 top-ten protected first, and a 2022 top-ten protected first.

Portland gets; Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Bad contract, Zach Collins, 2020 second round pick, and an unprotected 2021 first

I'm not even going to touch the whole "Even though he was drafted at #25, he has more value because some websites say so!"

choosing Nas Little isn't a bad move for this team.

It's a less optimal move than acquiring more valuable assets that fit more in-line with your rebuilding process.

You get a prospect a year early.

And you also potentially stunt the development of your coaching staff and the other rookies, while at the same time losing the value of a player on his rookie contract a year early.

Trading Kevin Love will not be our last chance at getting a 2020 1st round pick. There are other avenues to get one.

Again, nobody has claimed that trading Kevin Love is our only chance at getting a 2020 first round pick. Why do you keep making up arguments in your head, then write them down just to waste everyone's time? Please stop. It's exhausting.

I'd also like to know which current players on this roster will be more important for the future of the team than Nas Little other than our 3 rookies? We have all of these expiring contracts that people believe are so valuable but having too many of them can be a problem if your goal is to get assets in return. It's likely that more of our expirings will expire than be traded for an asset. We're in a situation now where our best asset which is JR Smith's contract might actually just expire.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.



@Los216 Dude, nobody is saying not to acquire young talent.

We're saying that spreading it out is a more wise decision than blowing your wad in year one of a rebuild for a multitude of reasons.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Portland was a top 5 or so team last year. With Love they get better. A first round pick next year is worth in the 25-30 range. That's not a lot of value.

Come 21 they would still have their core intact so once again a 25-30 pick.

22 is the first year a pick from them could have any value. As both Damn and CJ are free agents. So start their looking for future draft picks.

From the East, It would be very easy to paint a scenario where teams like Toronto, Milwaukee and Philadelphia all have better records than a healthy Portland. It's not even too unreasonable to claim that a team like Indiana or Boston could make a leap in the standings to that level. Remember, we haven't even hit free agency yet.

Out West? GSW, Denver, Houston, Utah, OKC, San Antonio, LAC, LAL all have a shot at beating a healthy Portland next year.

Notice that I said healthy... if they get hurt, that pick can shoot up draft boards.

It's also really hard to predict what happens multiple years out. A year ago, the Pelicans were coming off 48 wins, a playoff berth, and a first round sweep of Portland, only to lose to the World Champion Golden State Warriors. Then, Anthony Davis demands a trade and they finish with the #1 overall pick and Zion Williamson. Would you have argued against acquiring their pick because they're obviously a young team on the rise and that pick is only going to be worth less?

Future picks are just more rolls of the dice. I want as many as I can get.

 

[bob2the2nd]

From the East, It would be very easy to paint a scenario where teams like Toronto, Milwaukee and Philadelphia all have better records than a healthy Portland. It's not even too unreasonable to claim that a team like Indiana or Boston could make a leap in the standings to that level. Remember, we haven't even hit free agency yet.

Out West? GSW, Denver, Houston, Utah, OKC, San Antonio, LAC, LAL all have a shot at beating a healthy Portland next year.

Notice that I said healthy... if they get hurt, that pick can shoot up draft boards.

It's also really hard to predict what happens multiple years out. A year ago, the Pelicans were coming off 48 wins, a playoff berth, and a first round sweep of Portland, only to lose to the World Champion Golden State Warriors. Then, Anthony Davis demands a trade and they finish with the #1 overall pick and Zion Williamson. Would you have argued against acquiring their pick because they're obviously a young team on the rise and that pick is only going to be worth less?

Future picks are just more rolls of the dice. I want as many as I can get.

I got it you dont think highly of the blazers but Love would fill their biggest need. A serviceable power forward. And they would instantly have an all star star suddenly there. They instantly become serious contenders with Love on that team. But sure go ahead and convince yourself they may not make the playoffs out west.

 

[Rich]

Portland was a top 5 or so team last year. With Love they get better. A first round pick next year is worth in the 25-30 range. That's not a lot of value.

Come 21 they would still have their core intact so once again a 25-30 pick.

22 is the first year a pick from them could have any value. As both Damn and CJ are free agents. So start their looking for future draft picks.

I'm gonna echo the above post but: it's not hard to envision a world wherein Damian Lillard is demanding a trade during the summer of 2020/season of 2021.

 

[Cavatt]

I'd really prefer keeping Kevin at least this year to set the tone. Let him help Beilein establish the culture, then you can explore trading him. Maybe he will be healthy this year and help his stock a little. Even missing 10 games with small injuries would be nice.

I just think Kevin can really help these guys and he may very well help the entire team become more open to passing. We have a few guys that can go one on one and get tunnel vision. Having an all-star on the team is who is better than all of these high upside guys right now, who is a willing passer, and needs to be fed the ball is going to help all of them realize that they cannot do it on their own. He is also going to allow these guys to get easy assists if they look for him, so that will be some positive reinforcement.

I have been constant on the Love trade idea. I don't want a pick in the 20's and bad money for him. I want a young player with upside or at least a pick in the mid lottery. We will have to take some bad money on, so that is unavoidable, but we need something that is pretty good, because Love is a damn good player and he can help our team develop into one with winning habits and his play-style is infectious as we saw last year.

 

[bob2the2nd]

I'm gonna echo the above post but: it's not hard to envision a world wherein Damian Lillard is demanding a trade during the summer of 2020/season of 2021.

I mean I can imagine the Cavs winning it all in 2021 but let's talk reality.

It's more likely and easier to imagine a scenario where he takes a pay cut to entice others to come to Portland.

Things change but Lillard loves it in Portland. Like goes out of his way to mention how much he loves it there. He mentions all the time how he wants to spend his entire career there. Things change like I said but seems very unlikely Dame goes anywhere

 

[Los216]

So we just hired one of the best college coaches in the last decade and giving him too much young talent is a problem? we're worried about stunting the growth by having 4 rookies? Really?

Portland is coming off trip to the WCF and adding Kevin Love to their roster makes them better. Their draft pick would be projected to be lower than it was this past season. You're not getting an unprotected pick from them. Especially not in the year when Dame and CJ are FA's. The last pick I can remember being unprotected was that MIA 1st that Philly traded to LAC. Contender or not it's hard to come by an unprotected 1st. At best we're looking at a pick that's going to be projected to be a late 1st or one that's more than 3 years out.

I brought up the OKC/IND trade because when people were asking why IND didn't get any picks from OKC it was because IND viewed Sabonis as a draft pick since he was just drafted and had not played yet. All I'm saying is that Nassir Little can easily be seen as a draft pick just like Sabonis was. Now is Zack Collins on the level of Victor Oladipo? No he is not but Kevin Love is not on the level of Paul George either. Now there could be some more pieces added to the deal but Zack Collins is their best prospect. We'd already be getting Evan Turner's expiring to match the salary and if the choice was between getting Nassir Little or a future protected late 1st round pick I don't think choosing Nassir Little is a band thing. I certainly don't buy the excuse that he'd be one too many rookies for our coaching staff to handle.

We just spent back to back years drafting PG's in the top 10. There should not be any cap on the number of rookies on this team.

 

[Los216]

I'd really prefer keeping Kevin at least this year to set the tone. Let him help Beilein establish the culture, then you can explore trading him. Maybe he will be healthy this year and help his stock a little. Even missing 10 games with small injuries would be nice.

I love Kevin Love on tis team but I have very low expectation on him staying healthy playing with us. I know he's healthy right now and has value to be traded. I can't say with confidence that in January he'd still be healthy enough to yield a good trade package.

 

[Cavatt]

I love Kevin Love on tis team but I have very low expectation on him staying healthy playing with us. I know he's healthy right now and has value to be traded. I can't say with confidence that in January he'd still be healthy enough to yield a good trade package.

Indiana is the best trade partner. Sabonis or Turner could probably be had. They fit our timeline better and are actually good players.

I don't care about Kevin's health, but other teams do. He needs to have a relatively healthy year to fetch anything of value IMO.

 

[Los216]

Indiana is the best trade partner. Sabonis or Turner could probably be had. They fit our timeline better and are actually good players.

I don't care about Kevin's health, but other teams do. He needs to have a relatively healthy year to fetch anything of value IMO.

The only thing about trading Love to IND is I wonder if The Cavs have changed their stance on dealing him there with LeBron gone now. I know that not trading players in your division is more of an NFL thing but you could really cause a problem by helping an NBA team in your division that has a great track record of drafting and winning. I know we aren't competing for a title as soon as IND could but they aren't a team that goes on stretches of sucking very often. They're pretty consistent.

 

[dark2332]

The only thing about trading Love to IND is I wonder if The Cavs have changed their stance on dealing him there with LeBron gone now. I know that not trading players in your division is more of an NFL thing but you could really cause a problem by helping an NBA team in your division that has a great track record of drafting and winning. I know we aren't competing for a title as soon as IND could but they aren't a team that goes on stretches of sucking very often. They're pretty consistent.

Good. It will help them beat us this year while we gun for that draft pick.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Indiana is the best trade partner. Sabonis or Turner could probably be had. They fit our timeline better and are actually good players.

I don't care about Kevin's health, but other teams do. He needs to have a relatively healthy year to fetch anything of value IMO.

I'd be surprised if Indiana would consider either of those 2 but if they would it would be worth pursuing.
As far as Portland goes,,if they are willing to include Zach Collins then I think that a deal could be done with them.

 

[Los216]

Welp. The Kevin Love to POR trade has taken a hit.

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