Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[Lee]

With Garland getting the call up, that’s two Olympians (Love and Garland) that Koby is responsible for. Add in what he did the other times we slid in the lottery (Collin and Issac, a 24 ppg scorer and an All Rookie second team) and now adding a franchise guy, and this thread is looking more and more accurate. It’s hard to imagine another GM doing much better with the hands dealt. We’ve got a good one here.

LMAO, Koby had nothing to do with Love.

Issaac was a top 5 pick that couldnt become one of the top 5 rookies, barely a top 10 rookie

Collin is now an issue, socring 24 points on a bad team, he might want a max contract and not a max player.

Look there are still more questions than answers, I dont want Koby's head but he has built a roster at this point that doesnt fit together. We will see how he drafts and handles Allen's and Collins extension and any offseason trades he makes, but Koby is still a GIANT question mark.

 

[JJ_PR]

I think Koby has made some solid moves and done about as well as can be expected. His draft picks have been solid. The trade for Jarrett Allen was a steal. Trading for Drummond was a gamble worth taking.

The three red marks I’d give him are:

1) the Love extension. I’d put that one more on Gilbert than I would Koby, however.
2) taking Windler over Keldon Johnson. That was a mistake, in hindsight, and we’d be better off with Johnson.
3) the KPJ meltdown & trade. There’s a lot of inconsistency in how the KPJ & Kevin Love situations were handled. Love is still here only because of his contract. He got WAY more rope than KPJ did and I’m not sure that was fair or the right move.

That said, this is a HUGE summer for the Cavaliers and will determine Koby’s future here. I think he’s gonna try to make a splash to make the Cavaliers relevant again, which Gilbert really wants. I’m not in favor of it, but I expect a trade up to #1 for Cade and/or a trade for a veteran. Something big is gonna happen for sure

The Love extension might've been a blessing in disguise. We don't get good free agents unless we overpay. More often than not, those signings end up being a disaster.

The extension prevented us from overpaying. For every Jerami Grant's, there's 10 Chandler Parsons.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I really do think Koby had proven to be a good GM. Especially considering the long Cavs history. Jim Paxson, Chris Grant…the two worst GMs we had. Koby is great by comparison. The only blemishes on his record were two DG forced moves in year 1 (Kyrie trade and Love extension) and a nut job malcontent (KPJ). It’s hard to say he didn’t win the Kyrie trade looking at what Boston got out of it. And you can’t compare it to fantasy trades which were never offered.

On the draft, trades, and FA signings…no one bats 1.000 but Koby has hit four doubles with our core four. Yes Windler and KPJ may be outs, but they were low risk. If he hits a home run July 29th, we really have something cooking.

Come next summer we will likely add a late lotto pick and have a huge expiring in Love. That will give us a franchise player (2021 1st), an Olympian PG (Garland), a young and blossoming center (Allen), either a scoring guard or an asset for him (Sexton), a defensive wing (Okoro) and another young piece in 2022 draft. Yes, winning the lottery this year did cover some warts, but he has put us in a very strong position for the 2022-2023 season and beyond.

We sort of tanked at the right time with Covid and now we can begin the road to compete. And a lot of that is thanks to Koby.

 

[Derek]

There’s a lot of inconsistency in how the KPJ & Kevin Love situations were handled. Love is still here only because of his contract. He got WAY more rope than KPJ did and I’m not sure that was fair or the right move.

There was no inconsistency because the situations were completely different. The things Love has done don't even begin to approach the KPJ situation.

 

[sailfish]

There was no inconsistency because the situations were completely different. The things Love has done don't even begin to approach the KPJ situation.

KPJ had a blowup over having his locker moved. Love has pouted, been disrespectful towards the coach & GM, and generally been the opposite of the positive, veteran influence they thought he would be. KPJ was easy to get rid of because he was making pennies on the dollar, compared to Love, and he came to the team with some baggage. If you want to excuse Love’s behavior, that’s on you.

 

[Derek]

KPJ had a blowup over having his locker moved. Love has pouted, been disrespectful towards the coach & GM, and generally been the opposite of the positive, veteran influence they thought he would be. KPJ was easy to get rid of because he was making pennies on the dollar, compared to Love, and he came to the team with some baggage. If you want to excuse Love’s behavior, that’s on you.

KPJ wasn't traded because of his blowup, that was just the last straw. Love's antics have not even approached what KPJ was getting into.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

KPJ had a blowup over having his locker moved. Love has pouted, been disrespectful towards the coach & GM, and generally been the opposite of the positive, veteran influence they thought he would be. KPJ was easy to get rid of because he was making pennies on the dollar, compared to Love, and he came to the team with some baggage. If you want to excuse Love’s behavior, that’s on you.

Of the things we know that were public, there was the flipping of the car with weed and a gun in it. There also was this:

https://fox8.com/sports/i-team-new-video-shows-cavs-player-in-confrontation-with-police/

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Koby has a lot of big decisions to make over the next few weeks and beyond.

Extend Jarrett Allen before he becomes an RFA? Or wait and see what offer he gets and decide whether to match it?

Trade up for the #1 pick or stay at #3?

Who to take at #3 if they keep the pick?

Trade Sexton based on the belief that you can't win with two small, defensively challenged guards?

Buy out Love?

Extend Hartenstein?

Is Okoro a 2 or a 3?

Who to pursue as a backup point guard?

I think he's done well so far with what he's had to work with. His approach seems to have been to get the best players possible and worry about fit later. He was lucky that Jarrett Allen fell into his lap and unlucky with the ping pong balls the last two seasons before getting lucky this year.

His decisions on the questions posed above will go a long way to determining his legacy as a GM.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Koby has a lot of big decisions to make over the next few weeks and beyond.

Extend Jarrett Allen before he becomes an RFA? Or wait and see what offer he gets and decide whether to match it?

Trade up for the #1 pick or stay at #3?

Who to take at #3 if they keep the pick?

Trade Sexton based on the belief that you can't win with two small, defensively challenged guards?

Buy out Love?

Extend Hartenstein?

Is Okoro a 2 or a 3?

Who to pursue as a backup point guard?

I think he's done well so far with what he's had to work with. His approach seems to have been to get the best players possible and worry about fit later. He was lucky that Jarrett Allen fell into his lap and unlucky with the ping pong balls the last two seasons before getting lucky this year.

His decisions on the questions posed above will go a long way to determining his legacy as a GM.

Great post.

I don’t think they’ll buy out Love due to the salary cap implications. I think they ride his contract out until the buyout period in early 2023 unless they can deal him.

I think they’ll sign Allen or match an offer unless it’s just too high (over $20 would definitely be too high imho).

Sexton - biggest unknown, a lot depends on who we draft and what we can get for him.

It’s going to be a very interesting summer for Cavalier fans.

 

[Rich]

Wonder if Charlotte is interested in a sign and trade for Allen involving Bridges?

Cavs can legitimately just say "trade us Bridges or we will match."

Not like we've got some young center they know we have to make room for.

 

[inliner311]

Koby has a lot of big decisions to make over the next few weeks and beyond.

Extend Jarrett Allen before he becomes an RFA? Or wait and see what offer he gets and decide whether to match it?

Trade up for the #1 pick or stay at #3?

Who to take at #3 if they keep the pick?

Trade Sexton based on the belief that you can't win with two small, defensively challenged guards?

Buy out Love?

Extend Hartenstein?

Is Okoro a 2 or a 3?

Who to pursue as a backup point guard?

I think he's done well so far with what he's had to work with. His approach seems to have been to get the best players possible and worry about fit later. He was lucky that Jarrett Allen fell into his lap and unlucky with the ping pong balls the last two seasons before getting lucky this year.

His decisions on the questions posed above will go a long way to determining his legacy as a GM.

Alot of this stuff is just wait and see how they play with the #3 pick. I still think Koby jump the gun when he traded for Allen. It wasn't the draft pick he gave up but having to make the decision on Allen and how much to pay him this summer. It significant money and years to invest on someone you don't know will actually fit with everyone else.

The best bet for the Cavs is someone coming in and trying to force their hand with a front loaded 3 year contract. A 5 year contract with escalating pay doesn't give the Cavs that great of flexibility. I also don't think we can get Allen to take a front loaded shorter contract ourselves.

 

[Rich]

it should be noted that I too fall into the trap of assuming all crappy Cavs-related decisions start with Gilbert.
And, despite any and all facts to the contrary, will remain true to that faith.

Literally half the board for whatever reason.

If a move is made people don't like, must be Dan.

If a move is.made people like then it's Altmann.

Never understood this.

 

[inliner311]

Wonder if Charlotte is interested in a sign and trade for Allen involving Bridges?

Cavs can legitimately just say "trade us Bridges or we will match."

Not like we've got some young center they know we have to make room for.

I really like this idea. I think it's something Koby should explore with Charlotte before it even gets to an offer sheet. We can throw in a 2nd round pick or two to grease the wheels.

We have to remember that once Allen signs an offer sheet that sign and trades can't happen. There has to be a level of communication between everyone to accomplish a sign and trade.

I don't know if we can add another player on our side with sign and trade. They can take Cedi back or Prince. We could do two separate trades to make it work.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

If we can’t trade Love without taking on a big “expiring” contract then I say just ride it out! We take what assets we have and if moving up to #1 to Cade is what they want to do….then do so. We are still in a rebuild and as long as we are not taking on anybody else’s long term contracts hurting our cap flexibility we are headed in the right direction. BUT KOBY MUST KNOCK THIS DRAFT OUT OF THE PARK!

 

[Lee]

KPJ wasn't traded because of his blowup, that was just the last straw. Love's antics have not even approached what KPJ was getting into.

Its a silly argument, while I agree, if Love was tradeable, he would be gone, they would in give up minor assets to do it like KPJ, just not major assets, so Love stays on the roster.