Lauri Markkanen - Utahin Marsalkka: All-NBA Snub

[cabs]

Very pleased for Lauri but I don't hope he is a long term Jazzman, I hold hope he finds his way home asap

 

[Step-Back Hook]

As a basketball fan I'm actually happy we traded him to Utah. I think he's going to be a long term piece for them, I expect he'll have a lot of success. I like when good players end up in good situations and are able to play their best ball.

The Jazz might actually pretty good, I'm starting to wonder if this hot start is sustainable for them lol.

That team is going to be better than lot of people thought.
It is not going to be this good. Utah got red hot from three to start the season. It also has lot of new guys and a rookie coach with his playbook not being too familiar for opponents. Teams might have some trouble at this point figuring things out. Their talent pool for a quick rebuild is ok, though.

Things that will be on their side if there's going to e a play-ins push
- Having Hardy as the coach. He is a protegee of pop so things gonna be good and there will be development
- Their rookie big Kessler seems legit rookie team candidate.
- Collin is just going to get more minutes and more chances to impact the better game condition he will get into. He has tools to win games if there's a need.
- Their bench is deep enough to overpower some other benches.
- Lauri Markkanen

Their starting line-up is not good enough though in a long run to get massive win streaks. If the shooting is not red hot, the losses might pile on.

Depending on how Ainge is maneuvering with trading out pieces, this current Jazz team will be either in the play ins or one of the first teams out of it. I don't think its gonna be bottom three in the west even if Ainge trades out more veterans. Jazz might get enough wins before that. And its ok for them. There was no plan to supertank. With their 15 1st round picks and cap room, and with Collin, Lauri, Kessler, Vanderbilt, it might become season or two rebuild with good rookies and added talent via trades and FA. It might be sooner than later that team is near current Cavs level.

 

[Cassity14]

I'm willing to bet that the Jazz finish bottom 3 in the West OR bottom 6 overall. Somebody hit me up with a potential RCF bet.

 

[inliner311]

You give the 2-3 role players you need to give to get a top 20 player in his prime that you have under contract for several years while you’re in contention.

There are very few guys in the league that can make the full gamut of plays Mitchell made in game 1 alone.

The way he splits the defense, gets to the hoop, makes plays for other guys, finishes, leads, hits outside shots, and gets to the line is a very rare combination.

Three quarters does not a dollar make. Happy as hell to have him after watching that first game. He wowed the shit out of me like LeBron used to 4-5 times.

I think the saying for the NBA is 4 quarters doesn't equal a dollar. I tend to agree with that but when you look at the possible trajectory of Markkanen and Sexton, I'm not sure we just gave up 4 quarters. Markkanen might be a 75 cent piece (let just say that exists for the example), Sexton might be a 50 cent or possibly a 75 cent piece, then Ochai Agbaji and the 3 first round picks has considerable value that probably gets you another solid 75 cent piece kind of player via trade.

Mitchell might end up being worth that $2+ in value but if we don't have solid depth behind our top 4 it might not look as good. I think only time will tell.

 

[Tlyons]

Shit game for Lauri.

They'll be in the hunt as much as anyone for the #1 pick.

Utah's 3-0 start is fools gold.

1. Denver has two players shaking off a ton of rust in Murray and MPJ. Not to mention losing Monte Morris.

2. Minnesota made a major trade and are trying to figure things out.

3. NO lost Ingram and Zion and still almost came back and won.

I won't even count the Rockets loss since Utah were coming off of OT the previous night.

 

[Dylan Windler's Mom]

Shit game for Lauri.

They'll be in the hunt as much as anyone for the #1 pick.

Utah's 3-0 start is fools gold.

1. Denver has two players shaking off a ton of rust in Murray and MPJ. Not to mention losing Monte Morris.

2. Minnesota made a major trade and are trying to figure things out.

3. NO lost Ingram and Zion and still almost came back and won.

I won't even count the Rockets loss since Utah were coming off of OT the previous night.

They had three road games in four nights including two overtimes, totally expected.

 

[Beanie4Heisman]

*Cries in Finnish*

 

[cavsfever]

I think the saying for the NBA is 4 quarters doesn't equal a dollar. I tend to agree with that but when you look at the possible trajectory of Markkanen and Sexton, I'm not sure we just gave up 4 quarters. Markkanen might be a 75 cent piece (let just say that exists for the example), Sexton might be a 50 cent or possibly a 75 cent piece, then Ochai Agbaji and the 3 first round picks has considerable value that probably gets you another solid 75 cent piece kind of player via trade.

Mitchell might end up being worth that $2+ in value but if we don't have solid depth behind our top 4 it might not look as good. I think only time will tell.

I agree with both you and @The Oi . It makes sense to trade multiple inferior players for a star in the NBA, and Mitchell is looking every bit the superstar he was advertised to be. But we did give away a ton and only time will tell if that was totally worth it. It really depends on whether Mitchell is enough to put us up the level of being a real contender or just a pretty good first/second round out. A lot of that is going to be about Mobley's development I think. We won't be able to tell whether Koby made a really wise decision here for probably a few years.

In the meantime though there's no doubt it should make us a team that's a lot of fun to watch!

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I would love to see people answer this at the end of the season. Mitchell is superstar but he isn't the kind of player Cavs were missing last season.

So outside of Garland, the Cavs had another player that could create for himself and others at a high level and score on all three levels? If they did, I guess I missed him the entire season.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

That team is going to be better than lot of people thought.
It is not going to be this good. Utah got red hot from three to start the season. It also has lot of new guys and a rookie coach with his playbook not being too familiar for opponents. Teams might have some trouble at this point figuring things out. Their talent pool for a quick rebuild is ok, though.

Things that will be on their side if there's going to e a play-ins push
- Having Hardy as the coach. He is a protegee of pop so things gonna be good and there will be development
- Their rookie big Kessler seems legit rookie team candidate.
- Collin is just going to get more minutes and more chances to impact the better game condition he will get into. He has tools to win games if there's a need.
- Their bench is deep enough to overpower some other benches.
- Lauri Markkanen

Their starting line-up is not good enough though in a long run to get massive win streaks. If the shooting is not red hot, the losses might pile on.

Depending on how Ainge is maneuvering with trading out pieces, this current Jazz team will be either in the play ins or one of the first teams out of it. I don't think its gonna be bottom three in the west even if Ainge trades out more veterans. Jazz might get enough wins before that. And its ok for them. There was no plan to supertank. With their 15 1st round picks and cap room, and with Collin, Lauri, Kessler, Vanderbilt, it might become season or two rebuild with good rookies and added talent via trades and FA. It might be sooner than later that team is near current Cavs level.

I’m of the belief it’s fools gold. No one had any tape as to how this team would play without Gobert, Mitchell, and Bogdanovic. They’ll steal some wins because someone gets hot, but over the course of the season they’ll still be a bad team.

They’re a Conley injury away from a starting backcourt of Sexton/Clarkson or Clarkson/Beasley. Those are both tank caliber back courts if I’ve ever seen them. At this point all it really takes for them to be a bottom 5 team is to dump Conley.

 

[foucault87]

So outside of Garland, the Cavs had another player that could create for himself and others at a high level and score on all three levels? If they did, I guess I missed him the entire season.

You clearly missed the Denzel Valentine show

 

[Randolphkeys]

It's perfectly okay for both the Cavs and the Jazz to become better short and long-term because of this trade.

It's perfectly fine that the Cavs gave away exactly the correct assets to lure the Jazz away from the Knicks offer.

It's perfectly fine that Mitchell is running the offense in Garland's absence in ways Lauri never will.

It's okay that Utah isn't as bad as the 2019 Cavaliers in the wake of this franchise altering trade. They aren't completely terrible and I'm fine with it.

All of it is perfectly fine.

 

[Rich]

Utah, if they keep everyone, I think will be in competition for a play-in spot.

Still a losing record, but not bottom 3.

But that's only if they keep guys like Conley and Clarkson, who we assume they'll look to deal.



But while we're all focused on Lauri, they got someone else in their Gobert trade who is a stud, Jared Vanderbilt.

Exactly the type of people who will end up getting your team more wins than you want if you don't start coming up with mysterious injuries to hold him out.

 

[Tlyons]

Yea avoiding bottom 3 in the West isn't much of an accomplishment when you have the Rockets, Kings, and Thunder. Not to mention I believe the Lakers are about to to challenge for bottom 3.

 

[Tlyons]

They had three road games in four nights including two overtimes, totally expected.

noted