Lindor trade ideas

[sportscoach]

Uhhhhh Marsh does not and has not played 1B to my knowledge. He's a plus defender in CF of that I'm sure. If they need a replacement for Pujols then let them choose between Bauers and Bradley. If they don't want Carrasco then offer them one of Civale/McKenzie for Marsh and Detmers. Sorry, but they don't have the prospect assets to even come close to getting Plesac. Do you realize how good he's been? If they need an OF then send them Naquin. He's serviceable and has produced recently. There you have it, Civale/McKenzie, Bauers/Bradley, Naquin for Marsh, Detmers, and a low level prospect. Most analysts would say the Angels won that trade.

Woops that was my bad, I accidentally looked at Walsh's page when I meant to look at Marsh's so my bad on that one! Disadvantage of doing everything from your phone.

Well either way I stand to be corrected, but even more of a reason to keep Marsh then to be honest. I just cannot see the Angels making a move for Carrasco and giving up Marsh and Detmers at all. Its not a good match for the Angels at all.

Now that trade i think is even worse for the Angels. Marsh and Detmers aren't going anywhere from their team unless it's trading an all star starter with little injury history. They have no depth at either position to be honest.

Angels would start offers from there 2B/Middle INF prospects not with Detmers or Marsh for someone unproven like a McKenzie. It wouldn't be smart in my mind to trade Plesac since I think he is turning out to be the real deal.

 

[CDAV45]

I have a good buddy who is a big Blue Jays fan.

He seems to think Danny Jansen, Jordan Groshans and Alek Manoah for Lindor would be a fair and realistic deal.

I think that'd be a fucking HR for the Tribe, to be honest. Probably not gonna get both Manoah AND Groshans but I think the Indians could get one of those guys with Jansen and maybe a younger propsect.

Why Groshans? The Indians have Freeman, Arias, and Rocchio who are all as well thought of or better. Jansen is another C that can't hit for shit so hard pass on him. Monoah is in short season A ball and another type of prospect that the Indians system already has and most are as good or better. Pretty much a fucking terrible offer IMO.

 

[CDAV45]

Why Groshans? The Indians have Freeman, Arias, and Rocchio who are all as well thought of or better. Jansen is another C that can't hit for shit so hard pass on him. Monoah is in short season A ball and another type of prospect that the Indians system already has and most are as good or better. Pretty much a fucking terrible offer IMO.

All that shit for a full season of the best SS in baseball. I'd rather trade Lindor for Frazier straight up.

 

[CDAV45]

Woops that was my bad, I accidentally looked at Walsh's page when I meant to look at Marsh's so my bad on that one! Disadvantage of doing everything from your phone.

Well either way I stand to be corrected, but even more of a reason to keep Marsh then to be honest. I just cannot see the Angels making a move for Carrasco and giving up Marsh and Detmers at all. Its not a good match for the Angels at all.

Now that trade i think is even worse for the Angels. Marsh and Detmers aren't going anywhere from their team unless it's trading an all star starter with little injury history. They have no depth at either position to be honest.

Angels would start offers from there 2B/Middle INF prospects not with Detmers or Marsh for someone unproven like a McKenzie. It wouldn't be smart in my mind to trade Plesac since I think he is turning out to be the real deal.

No big deal, I thought maybe the Angels were trying him out at 1B. Where are they going to play Marsh who is a CFer? Is he going to play if front of Adell? How about Upton? He's blocked and if they can get a good pitcher with a few yrs of control at a reasonable price then they'll jump on it. After all, we're talking about the Angels, a team that desperately needs SP. Detmers is a nice prospect, but you won't find him on any top 10 lists for LHP. The offer I suggested would have the Angels asking where they need to sign.

 

[sportscoach]

No big deal, I thought maybe the Angels were trying him out at 1B. Where are they going to play Marsh who is a CFer? Is he going to play if front of Adell? How about Upton? He's blocked and if they can get a good pitcher with a few yrs of control at a reasonable price then they'll jump on it. After all, we're talking about the Angels, a team that desperately needs SP. Detmers is a nice prospect, but you won't find him on any top 10 lists for LHP. The offer I suggested would have the Angels asking where they need to sign.

I dont know the new guy running the team, but I would try to get rid of Upton contract, even if I have to pay half of it. Pujols will be off the books for 22, right when a ton of talent on paper will be available in free agency. I would want Upton gone so Marsh can take over a spot. Also outside of Adell, Walsh and Jahmai, they have no other OFs and Jahmai has been in the INF mostly, so they have no depth at OF.

 

[EdMonix11]

Why Groshans? The Indians have Freeman, Arias, and Rocchio who are all as well thought of or better. Jansen is another C that can't hit for shit so hard pass on him. Monoah is in short season A ball and another type of prospect that the Indians system already has and most are as good or better. Pretty much a fucking terrible offer IMO.

Geez, your ignorance on these prospects is so apparent. You don't even know what position Groshans will play or why Manoah was in Short Season A ball.

Why even respond when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?

I understand you might not like the deal, and that's fine, but at least respond with something constructive. Not this baseless drivel you've continually spouted since you've gotten here.

Christ, the quality of your posts is horrendous.

 

[sportscoach]

All that shit for a full season of the best SS in baseball. I'd rather trade Lindor for Frazier straight up.

Groshans looks like a 3B to me with a lot of upside. Hits to the whole field and has room to add power as well. I think he looks pretty solid as a prospect overall.

Manoah looks like a right handed CC Sabathia lol same type of mix of pitches (now I don't know if they move the same), but he is 6'6 and 260 with a good fastball.

 

[sportscoach]

Geez, your ignorance on these prospects is so apparent. You don't even know what position Groshans will play.

Why even respond when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?

I understand you might not like the deal, and that's fine, but at least respond with something constructive. Not this baseless drivel you've continually spouted since you've gotten here.

Christ, the quality of your posts is horrendous.

You may be being a bit harsh

@CDAV45 to be honest Edmonix knows his prospects and has been a very good evaluator of them. Sometimes you do come across as the look at position listed rather than actually looking at the prospects as a whole.

Also keep in mind Indians will go for best available talent, not for just position. Both Groshans and Manoah are top 100 prospects via baseball America, and high draft choices so from that perspective, that is exactly what you want in a trade for Lindor.

Also the Indians prioritize the ability as a receiver and defensive side first when it comes to catching hence why I have been wanting Ali Sanchez from the Mets if Lindor goes there since he is in that type of mold.

Sometimes you look at things too much on paper and not enough eye test when you come across

 

[Kevalier]

I have a good buddy who is a big Blue Jays fan.

He seems to think Danny Jansen, Jordan Groshans and Alek Manoah for Lindor would be a fair and realistic deal.

I think that'd be a fucking HR for the Tribe, to be honest. Probably not gonna get both Manoah AND Groshans but I think the Indians could get one of those guys with Jansen and maybe a younger propsect.

I’d be stunned if they gave up Groshans. I’ve read a ton lately about the Blue Jays prospects and would be more than glad with Orelvis Martinez if they refuse to part with Groshans. I also think Adam Kloffenstein actually fits the mold of the Indians pitching type better than Manoah.

 

[CDAV45]

Geez, your ignorance on these prospects is so apparent. You don't even know what position Groshans will play or why Manoah was in Short Season A ball.

Why even respond when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?

I understand you might not like the deal, and that's fine, but at least respond with something constructive. Not this baseless drivel you've continually spouted since you've gotten here.

Christ, the quality of your posts is horrendous.

Yeah, I don't think my ignorance is as apparent as you may think, but you are entitled to your opinion.

If I responded then I either already know or have done the research. So that trade idea is still stupid other than being from a Blue Jay's perspective. If the Blue Jays can pull that off then they will have made a trade for the ages and pulled one over the tribe's eyes. When is the last time that happened?

If you don't like my posts then ignore them, you also have that right. I find you to be more of a smartass with little knowledge rather than an informed poster, but this is a free country and I can ignore you as well if I don't like it. What's good for the goose.......right.

 

[CDAV45]

You may be being a bit harsh

@CDAV45 to be honest Edmonix knows his prospects and has been a very good evaluator of them. Sometimes you do come across as the look at position listed rather than actually looking at the prospects as a whole.

Also keep in mind Indians will go for best available talent, not for just position. Both Groshans and Manoah are top 100 prospects via baseball America, and high draft choices so from that perspective, that is exactly what you want in a trade for Lindor.

Also the Indians prioritize the ability as a receiver and defensive side first when it comes to catching hence why I have been wanting Ali Sanchez from the Mets if Lindor goes there since he is in that type of mold.

Sometimes you look at things too much on paper and not enough eye test when you come across

It wasn't just a positional comparison, but it doesn't really matter. They're recent draftees that are both 2-3 yrs away without any bumps in the road. Monoah is in short season A ball and Groshans is in A. I am confused a bit by your statement here because you seem to have stated the opposite before.

"Compare the prospects San Diego has to what the Angels have. San Diego still has a better farm than the Angels making all the trades they did. If Indians are going to max out a return in a Carrasco trade, it wouldn't be to the Angels. They cannot offer up what a lot of teams can. If they don't trade Marsh or Detmers (who likely they arent willing to) then the next prospects are all middle INF types, which is the only thing their farm has extra of. Indians aren't looking for that in a trade back, we lack catching and OF prospects and Angels dont have much of either."

They clearly prioritize defense when evaluating catchers since there are 2 currently on the roster, but a one dimensional player for Lindor isn't going to happen and if it is then we should get a load for Perez. Everyone here knows that won't happen.

I'm editing this to emphasize that I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong in any sense, just that I agree with what is in quotes.

Nothing could be further from the truth when stating that "sometimes you look at things too much on paper and not enough eye test when you come across".

 

[CDAV45]

Groshans looks like a 3B to me with a lot of upside. Hits to the whole field and has room to add power as well. I think he looks pretty solid as a prospect overall.

Manoah looks like a right handed CC Sabathia lol same type of mix of pitches (now I don't know if they move the same), but he is 6'6 and 260 with a good fastball.

Groshans looks like a good prospect for sure, but there is a lot of projection. He looks like a right handed version of Nolan Jones with less power at this stage. He's a big kid and the power should develop, but he's not what I'd want as a headliner for Lindor. He just isn't, and I believe most that know would say the same.

Manoah's ceiling is high, but there is a lot of development to be had. Again, as a throw in sure, but not what a player like Lindor is acquired for IMO. His comparison is Oviedo to me. Great arm that could become a top of the rotation type, but the stars have to align.

Again, I'd rather trade Lindor for Frazier straight up. The Cleveland Indians currently have one of the best pitching staffs in MLB, now they're going to trade their best player for a couple of low level prospects that don't address those organizational needs and another catcher that doesn't hit? While you accuse me of focusing too much on position, my response is that it is an important factor even if not the most important. The Indian's system is rich in MIF and SP. Everyone here and around baseball knows this.

 

[Urban]

I might be in the minority here, but I'm not necessarily dead set on needing a 2021 contributor if the trade is right. Especially if that player is already in arbitration. I know the Indians goal is to compete every year but realistically 2021 is just probably not going to be the Indians' year in the AL Central.

We all know Lindor and Santana had disappointing 2020 seasons, yet they still ranked 4th and 5th on the team in wRC+. Hernandez ranked 3rd and he's unlikely to be back as well. I'd suspect Lindor rebounds significantly, Santana returns to a happy medium between 19 and 20, and Hernandez regresses a bit but is still a quality starting 2B. That's an 8-10 combined WAR trio you are losing to be replaced by unproven young players.

2022 is the year we should see more offensive talent ready to contribute from the minor league pipeline.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Guys, the personal attacks and insults need to be dialed back a bit in this thread.

 

[sportscoach]

Groshans looks like a good prospect for sure, but there is a lot of projection. He looks like a right handed version of Nolan Jones with less power at this stage. He's a big kid and the power should develop, but he's not what I'd want as a headliner for Lindor. He just isn't, and I believe most that know would say the same.

Manoah's ceiling is high, but there is a lot of development to be had. Again, as a throw in sure, but not what a player like Lindor is acquired for IMO. His comparison is Oviedo to me. Great arm that could become a top of the rotation type, but the stars have to align.

Again, I'd rather trade Lindor for Frazier straight up. The Cleveland Indians currently have one of the best pitching staffs in MLB, now they're going to trade their best player for a couple of low level prospects that don't address those organizational needs and another catcher that doesn't hit? While you accuse me of focusing too much on position, my response is that it is an important factor even if not the most important. The Indian's system is rich in MIF and SP. Everyone here and around baseball knows this.

The biggest issue is the fact the Indians have to get the most talent and cannot go for position. I have run too many teams over the years in OOTP and MLB the Show, to know you just go straight potential and see who ends up on top.

Also a ton of MIF end up in the OF so you will see some guys be converting to other positions in due time especially since we arent deep in the OF.