Lindor trade ideas

[CDAV45]

Which teams want Lindor?... pretty simple answer to the question.. all the teams.. or nearly all the teams would be thrilled to have a Francisco Lindor in their every day lineup.. as a lead off guy.. but always as an everyday player... There is value being healthy. It is a skill in high demand in MLB... So.. which teams are more likely to be looking to fill the SS slot or would be interested in filling their SS spot with Lindor while moving whoever is at SS..

About a good number of teams come to mind.. as having either a direct need or close to it.... example.. the braves can't figure out what's with Riley.. if Swanson is moved to 3B.. Lindor at SS.. the braves now have a much more dynamic and deeper lineup... So, Atlanta 'could be' one team.. but, they wouldn't be desperate..

Other teams include, but are not limited to New York Teams.. NL Central reds/cubs/cards amd perhaps the Rangers, Angels and or DBax.. as other examples of teams that would be more likely to have an interest in the services of Lindor.. than just because he's a very, very, good player..

As far as ML or ML-readiness.. Therein lies the rub.. if the guys already playing in the spot that Lindor would be replacing, why did this evaluation by their clubs arrive at being ready?.. what does that say about the guys the Indians would be receiving in return?.. The return is of utmost importance to the Indians..

So, getting back to Atlanta.. who is a better target for the OF need.. Pache or Waters?.. are either of both ML ready?.. The biggest jump in talent is from any place in the minors.. to the ML's... Does anyone else in the Braves MiLB prospect listing sound interesting?. Shea Langeliers? The guy or guys who are returning may not be immediately ready to contribute.. but, they should at least have a chance at being projectable as a player that approaches Lindor's current value, one year and all, at some time in the future..

We already know that whatever is offered isn't going to be enough for the 2021 season..

Thoughts?..

If Atlanta wants Lindor then it would take Riley, Waters, and Muller IMO. I think the Reds will keep that from happening. The need is just too great for Cinncy.

 

[Urban]

If the Indians are to trade a starter, which I don't think they should do, they should certainly aim higher than Jason Heyward because he had a good 50 games in 2020. He's 31 and has been mostly mediocre since signing with the Cubs

I think it's a longshot that the Yankees would be willing to part with Torres for Lindor. But if they re-sign LeMahieu, maybe they're willing to think about it after seeing how terrible Torres was at SS last year.

 

[Steve_424]

If the Indians are to trade a starter, which I don't think they should do, they should certainly aim higher than Jason Heyward because he had a good 50 games in 2020. He's 31 and has been mostly mediocre since signing with the Cubs

I think it's a longshot that the Yankees would be willing to part with Torres for Lindor. But if they re-sign LeMahieu, maybe they're willing to think about it after seeing how terrible Torres was at SS last year.

Getting Torres for Lindor would be an absolute dream for the Indians. Only 23, 4 more years of control, and as good, if not better at the plate than Lindor. Certainly a defensive downgrade, but you can stick him at 2B and figure out SS among Chang, Freeman, Arias, or Miller.

 

[Steve_424]

Terry Pluto floated the idea of the Indians moving Carrasco today.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I highly doubt the Indians would get Torres for LIndor but if the Yankees want Lindor they have the parts to get him.
Frazier ( the yankees would rather have this piece be Andujar) then
Clarke Schmidt or Deivi Garcia and a prospect or two.
If they can pry Frazier/Schmidt or Garcia and a decent prospect or two you can't expect anymore than that.
I don't know if the Yankees would be willing to give all that up.

 

[Kevalier]

Gleyber Torres isn’t being dealt. By most accounts, the Yankees will likely look to move him from SS to 2B, which opens the possibility of Lindor being traded there. A deal would most likely involve either Frazier or Voit as the major league piece with one of their 50 FV lower level prospects that are top 100 overall prospects (Alexander Vargas, Kevin Alcantara or Ezequiel Duran) as the second piece and one 40 FV prospect to cap it off. If the Yankees are hell bent on re-signing LeMahieu and want to move Torres to 2B, then Voit would make sense as the player to move. If not, then Frazier would certainly be a welcome addition in this outfield. We’ll see how motivated the Yankees are to trade for Lindor, but there’s definitely a deal that makes sense for both teams in my opinion.

 

[sportscoach]

Terry Pluto floated the idea of the Indians moving Carrasco today.

On paper he is right Carrasco would normally be moved, but with the gentleman's agreement (essentially) between him and the FO, Carrasco won't be traded.

 

[DerekG123]

Gleyber Torres isn’t being dealt. By most accounts, the Yankees will likely look to move him from SS to 2B, which opens the possibility of Lindor being traded there. A deal would most likely involve either Frazier or Voit as the major league piece with one of their 50 FV lower level prospects that are top 100 overall prospects (Alexander Vargas, Kevin Alcantara or Ezequiel Duran) as the second piece and one 40 FV prospect to cap it off. If the Yankees are hell bent on re-signing LeMahieu and want to move Torres to 2B, then Voit would make sense as the player to move. If not, then Frazier would certainly be a welcome addition in this outfield. We’ll see how motivated the Yankees are to trade for Lindor, but there’s definitely a deal that makes sense for both teams in my opinion.

I expect a deal something like that. Would rather have Frazier than Voit right now because we need OF. Could see Thairo Estrada thrown in there too. They have some interesting pitching prospects. Don't know about their hitters.

 

[CDAV45]

I highly doubt the Indians would get Torres for LIndor but if the Yankees want Lindor they have the parts to get him.
Frazier ( the yankees would rather have this piece be Andujar) then
Clarke Schmidt or Deivi Garcia and a prospect or two.
If they can pry Frazier/Schmidt or Garcia and a decent prospect or two you can't expect anymore than that.
I don't know if the Yankees would be willing to give all that up.

He's a top 5 talent. What you're proposing is less than they got for Bauer. Lindor's value is much higher than Bauer's was at the time of that trade. Not only that, but there will be competition for Lindor's services. I think you'll be surprised at what Lindor will bring in a trade.

I want no part of Schmidt or Garcia. One can't stay healthy and the other is a 5'9" pitcher. I'd rather watch Lindor walk away for a draft pick.

 

[sportscoach]

I am not against Torres plus prospects for Lindor to be honest. We still want to compete in 21, but Torres will be due an increase in his contract so that would be the only reason why I wouldn't take him. We would have 2B and SS open if we move Lindor.

 

[Steve_424]

On paper he is right Carrasco would normally be moved, but with the gentleman's agreement (essentially) between him and the FO, Carrasco won't be traded.

Is there? I never heard this.

 

[DCTribefan]

On paper he is right Carrasco would normally be moved, but with the gentleman's agreement (essentially) between him and the FO, Carrasco won't be traded.

By definition, a gentleman’s agreement is kept private so how would we know one exists for Carrasco?

 

[Gson]

Getting Torres for Lindor would be an absolute dream for the Indians. Only 23, 4 more years of control, and as good, if not better at the plate than Lindor. Certainly a defensive downgrade, but you can stick him at 2B and figure out SS among Chang, Freeman, Arias, or Miller.

The NYY's have a penchant for protecting/keeping their own.. The acquisition of Gleyber from the Cubs has the long term effect of Gleyber not beginning his career learning the "yankee way". While this may sound trite, the decision to hold onto traded for players from the Yankees has played out over and over.. I.O.W. (in other words, for reno).. Gleyber would be available, but, it would take a big reason..

Lindor.. is that big reason..he fixes two holes for the NYY's.. a switch hitter who can lead off.. and a defensive genius at the most demanding defensive position in all of baseball.. a spot the NYY's were clearly deficient at..

W/R to the entire deal.. Frazier/Andujar are certainly both worthy of inclusion.. probably not both.. and if it's just one.. then bring Red Thunder back home.. W/r to other guys mentioned...

Voit.. reminds me of a a Shane Saw Massacre.. flash in the pan.. nothing special..
Deivi.. is a less talented/lower velo FB pitcher reincarnation of Danny Salazar.. Hard Pass !

Vargas & Duran have promise.. but would be less than any one of four middle infield prospects already in the Indians minor league system (Freeman, Arias, Bracho & Rocchio, in any order)... It's the OF candidates from the Yankees that "move the needle".. Yes, Kevin Alcantara is one of them, long and lean with aptness to barrel the ball.. he's shown he can hit.. can run.. can play.... Jasson Dominguez is the true blue chip prospect in the Yankees system.. he would be a steal, so, not a likely part of this deal.. Lastly, based on the few chances given to him during the ML season.. Estevan Florial is showing he isn't a no hit/all glove OF'er..and specifically, CF'er.. He could be a much better version of DeShields on day one..

W/R to deep/unheralded arms as that throw in guy the Indians always seem to covet and acquire in deals like this.... Alexander Vizcaino is perhaps my # 1 NYY pitching sleeper..

Thoughts?..

 

[sportscoach]

He's a top 5 talent. What you're proposing is less than they got for Bauer. Lindor's value is much higher than Bauer's was at the time of that trade. Not only that, but there will be competition for Lindor's services. I think you'll be surprised at what Lindor will bring in a trade.

I want no part of Schmidt or Garcia. One can't stay healthy and the other is a 5'9" pitcher. I'd rather watch Lindor walk away for a draft pick.

If we do trade him to the Yankees, its not like they cannot keep him long term, so it does make sense on that end.

A deal with the Yankees will include one of Torres, Frazier or Andujar.

Now when it comes to prospects, if you don't go with Schmidt or Garcia, then its likely they go with Yajure (fits the high command type thats MLB ready). So I am thinking the deal would be one of those three (Frazier, Andujar, Torres) I want Torres so Torres, SS Oswald Peraza, RHP Miguel Yajure, C Anthony Seigler for Lindor.

 

[CDAV45]

The NYY's have a penchant for protecting/keeping their own.. The acquisition of Gleyber from the Cubs has the long term effect of Gleyber not beginning his career learning the "yankee way". While this may sound trite, the decision to hold onto traded for players from the Yankees has played out over and over.. I.O.W. (in other words, for reno).. Gleyber would be available, but, it would take a big reason..

Lindor.. is that big reason..he fixes two holes for the NYY's.. a switch hitter who can lead off.. and a defensive genius at the most demanding defensive position in all of baseball.. a spot the NYY's were clearly deficient at..

W/R to the entire deal.. Frazier/Andujar are certainly both worthy of inclusion.. probably not both.. and if it's just one.. then bring Red Thunder back home.. W/r to other guys mentioned...

Voit.. reminds me of a a Shane Saw Massacre.. flash in the pan.. nothing special..
Deivi.. is a less talented/lower velo FB pitcher reincarnation of Danny Salazar.. Hard Pass !

Vargas & Duran have promise.. but would be less than any one of four middle infield prospects already in the Indians minor league system (Freeman, Arias, Bracho & Rocchio, in any order)... It's the OF candidates from the Yankees that "move the needle".. Yes, Kevin Alcantara is one of them, long and lean with aptness to barrel the ball.. he's shown he can hit.. can run.. can play.... Jasson Dominguez is the true blue chip prospect in the Yankees system.. he would be a steal, so, not a likely part of this deal.. Lastly, based on the few chances given to him during the ML season.. Estevan Florial is showing he isn't a no hit/all glove OF'er..and specifically, CF'er.. He could be a much better version of DeShields on day one..

W/R to deep/unheralded arms as that throw in guy the Indians always seem to covet and acquire in deals like this.... Alexander Vizcaino is perhaps my # 1 NYY pitching sleeper..

Thoughts?..

I think that the known/unknown defensive issues of both Frazier and Andujar bring their value down enough to make them both available in a deal for Lindor. Frazier's, at this point in time is more tolerable than Andujar's. I've seen where Andujar may be able to "cut the mustard" in LF, but it's all theory at this point. Both bats have the potential to be, or already have been potent. Both have nowhere to go on the Yankees roster. It's a reasonable start to a deal between the 2 clubs. I also believe that one of Perez or Hedges would be sent to NY also because CA isn't going to pay 2 defensive stalwarts that struggle offensively $9M. If that is the case, then Lindor and Perez/Hedges is worth more than Frazier and Andujar. The question then becomes what can be added to even it out? Green?

I'm adding this to say that I firmly believe that they will be looking to strengthen the current club due to the current pitching staff and a healthy minor league system. Having 4-5 yrs of control of both fits in perfectly with this pitching staff. If they play their cards right, this team could be damn good for several years.