Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[Triplethreat]

Ignore?

Baker, week-by-week, has improved this season. Go back to the posts when OBJ went down. You're behaving exactly like many of us predicted--as the Browns continue to improve, people will say we're better without our most talented WR.

You seem to be ignoring actual football in favor of a storyline that makes you feel good.

Until proven otherwise, we're better with more talent than we are with less talent. The alternative has not been proven.

Just keep ignoring facts.

If not having Beckham makes our QB perform better, it makes us as a team better.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Just keep ignoring facts.

If not having Beckham makes our QB perform better, it makes us as a team better.

I think it's hilarious that you don't have any facts to support your premise that this team will be better without OBJ than it will be with him.

But yes, say other people are "ignoring facts." Not a single person on this board would expect anything more from you.

If, next year, it turns out that there's something that makes us worse when we have our most talented receiver on the field, sure, you do what it takes to make your team better. But, I'd much rather take what's working now, and then add in a shiny new toy that puts even more pressure on opposing defenses, than cast Beckham away now for peanuts because loud fans want some storyline to be true.

 

[Douglar]

I think it's hilarious that you don't have any stats to support your premise that this team will be better without OBJ than it will be with him.

But yes, say other people are "ignoring facts." Not a single person on this board would expect anything more from you.

If, next year, it turns out that there's something that makes us worse when we have our most talented receiver on the field, sure, you do what it takes to make your team better. But, I'd much rather take what's working now, and then add in a shiny new toy that puts even more pressure on opposing defenses, than cast Beckham away now for peanuts because loud fans want some storyline to be true.

I thought that snapshot of Mayfield's completion percentage for OBJ vs "Not OBJ" that was just posted was pretty compelling.

Why would the most talented receiver on the team have a lower catch rate & lower yards per catch compared to the less talented players?

If it was just because OBJ was attracting the opponents most effective defenders, you would expect at least one the other receivers to have a drop off after OBJ got injured, but that didn't happen. If anything, the rest of the guys got better after OBJ went to the IR.

If I had to guess, it seems like trying to force targets in OBJ's direction was hurting the offense.

 

[Ohio]

There's absolutely no way it is a coincidence that Baker's ascension took place immediately after OBJ's injury. Started that Bengals game with that garbage INT on a forced throw to OBJ (go figure), OBJ gets hurt, and Baker just starts going off.

We have quite a bit of data now on Baker without OBJ vs Baker with OBJ.

2018 (no OBJ): Baker has a historic rookie season with arguably the worst coaching in the league
2019 (with OBJ): Baker is one of the worst starting QBs in the league, again with arguably the worst coaching in the league
2020 (with OBJ): Baker is one of the worst starting QBs in the league, this time with great coaching
2020 (no OBJ): Baker is playing the best football of his NFL career

The numbers are out there, what @Triplethreat was just for 2020 too...it gets worse when looking back at previous seasons as well.

Has coaching and game reps played a part of Baker's ascension? Of course. But, he proved in 2018 he can be productive with bad coaching. It's hard to believe coaching is the sole reason for his ascension when it began literally mid-Bengals game, which itself really is a microcosm of the Baker-OBJ connection, IMO.

We've seen 1.5 seasons of Baker with OBJ and 1.5 seasons of Baker without OBJ. When watching those games, what are your eyes telling you? Mine are telling me that Baker is a better QB without OBJ. It seems to me that Baker feels forced to feed OBJ and it ruins his entire game. This is a Baker issue but it's not worth attempting to fix at this point. The risk of breaking Baker again far outweighs the potential reward.

And when you start to factor in the financial side of things? OBJ has no place on this team. That money would be so much better allocated on defense. I don't necessarily want to just dump him for a mid-round pick, but I do think the safest thing to do is to deal him. How about trading him for a couple starters on defense? Or maybe one starter and a pick?

 

[Vee-Rex]

Ignore?

Baker, week-by-week, has improved this season. Go back to the posts when OBJ went down. You're behaving exactly like many of us predicted--as the Browns continue to improve, people will say we're better without our most talented WR.

You seem to be ignoring actual football in favor of a storyline that makes you feel good.

Until proven otherwise, we're better with more talent than we are with less talent. The alternative has not been proven.

The irony coming from you that Baker has improved week-by-week when you were one of the skeptics, because during that time you weren't exactly a ringing endorsement about his improvement.

Yes, Baker has been improving week-by-week and I was one of the ones arguing vehemently about it in his thread. But that does not mean he didn't also get a big and IMMEDIATE boost right when OBJ went out. You're arguing as if both can't be true.

Again, we ARE more talented with OBJ and SHOULD be a better team with him on the field, but that has not been proven. The QB is the most important component on the team and if he hasn't been jiving with OBJ but plays better without, then having more talent is meaningless.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I thought that snapshot of Mayfield's completion percentage for OBJ vs "Not OBJ" that was just posted was pretty compelling.

Why would the most talented receiver on the team have a lower catch rate & lower yards per catch compared to the less talented players?

If it was just because OBJ was attracting the opponents most effective defenders, you would expect at least one the other receivers to have a drop off after OBJ got injured, but that didn't happen. If anything, the rest of the guys got better after OBJ went to the IR.

If I had to guess, it seems like trying to force targets in OBJ's direction was hurting the offense.

There are lots of reasons. That stat only says something definitively about the player if all other things are like.

Do you think it's possible that OBJ is targeted on different routes than other receivers? Is it possible that Baker targeted him when he shouldn't have? Is this something that could change now that Baker has improved? Is it possible that, as the #1 target, he drew tighter coverage? The list is endless.

Does anyone here honestly think that we're better with DPJ out there running routes than Beckham?

If not, then do you think that whatever bad muju-juju that created the meaningless stats you keep referencing, is fixable? If it's Baker's fault, isn't he capable of improving? If it's coaching, aren't they capable of adjusting?

There's just nothing that says we're going to be better moving forward with less talent.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

The irony coming from you that Baker has improved week-by-week when you were one of the skeptics, because during that time you weren't exactly a ringing endorsement about his improvement.

Yes, Baker has been improving week-by-week and I was one of the ones arguing vehemently about it in his thread. But that does not mean he didn't also get a big and IMMEDIATE boost right when OBJ went out. You're arguing as if both can't be true.

Again, we ARE more talented with OBJ and SHOULD be a better team with him on the field, but that has not been proven. The QB is the most important component on the team and if he hasn't been jiving with OBJ but plays better without, then having more talent is meaningless.

Irony?

I'm one of the ones pointing to the things he's improved every week, and just because I also mention the areas where he still can improve, you label me a Baker hater when I was one of the first ones saying it's stupid to even consider not picking up his fifth year.

I'm fairly sure that @Jordan and I were the first two to point out how insane Baker's improvement in the pocket was. From bailing out behind the tackle at the first imagining of pressure, to consciously staying in the pocket and forcing himself to break the habit, to having a confident feel in the pocket like he has now? That's stuff that most players are incapable of leaning over a career. For the ones who do, it takes most of them years. Baker did it on-the-fly.

When people wanted to trash Baker over his inaccurate throws, I said that it was likely due to inconsistent and improper footwork which is to be expected with Van Pelt changing Baker's footwork. What do you know, as his footwork is finding him a better platform to throw from, his accuracy issues have gone away. He's not throwing those erratic passes with his hips parallel to the line of scrimmage and it's paying off in spades.

Someone pointing out where the deficiencies are, and where Baker can improve, doesn't make that person a skeptic, a hater, or anything else. But hey, I guess I should just blindly swallow every narrative. How are all the members of the cult of Dorsey doing right now? How about the people who said Baker sucks and we have to get rid of him? What about the people saying the Browns would be a disaster because of analytics? Am I an OBJ hater because I didn't like the trade? Or am I an OBJ stan because I'm defending him now?

I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now, this "we need to get rid of OBJ because we can't play well with him on the field" joins the scrap heap of awful takes that aren't based on any knowledge or insight.

To be fair, I also wouldn't be surprised if it truly never works out with OBJ.

Pretending like things are definitive one way or the other is just jumping the gun at this point. I'm well aware that Baker's stats after that interception that led to OBJ's injury have been markedly improved. Let's go back to what was said at that time:

Our playcalling was different after the OBJ injury.

We started allowing Baker to drop back further into his drops, and in the second half, ran a shit ton of shotgun where he starts that deep.

When Baker can not only see his tackles, but also see the field better due to his limited size, he plays better. He wasn't panicky and jittery. He didn't have any inaccuracies. These are good things.

These things also don't have anything to do with whether OBJ is on the field or not. The correlation is obviously there, but I don't believe in the causation.

Also, @Lee , I don't think OBJ is a top 5 WR in this league ever since the bad NYG injuries. I do think he's top 15 though.

So yes, while you say "it can't possibly be anything OTHER than OBJ's injury!" there are a ton more variables involved. When OBJ went out, that was the first time all season our playcalling in the passing game started to be tailored towards Baker's strengths. He started to get more comfortable because we changed our playcalling to let Baker take deeper drops and see his tackles. This leads to a QB with better pocket presence, more comfort, and more confidence.

Sure, it's possible that Baker's comfort level and pocket presence improved because Beckham wasn't on the field, but I don't think that's likely. I'm chalking that up to correlation rather than causation until proven otherwise. Playcalling and natural growth seem more likely to me.

And hey, we know that there were changes besides OBJ being hurt. You even said so yourself:

We took more shots down on the field. Even on the OBJ INT (extremely poorly thrown) the philosophy was sound. Stefanski is awesome, and I hope Mayfield can build off of this performance.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Irony?

I'm one of the ones pointing to the things he's improved every week, and just because I also mention the areas where he still can improve, you label me a Baker hater when I was one of the first ones saying it's stupid to even consider not picking up his fifth year.

I'm fairly sure that @Jordan and I were the first two to point out how insane Baker's improvement in the pocket was. From bailing out behind the tackle at the first imagining of pressure, to consciously staying in the pocket and forcing himself to break the habit, to having a confident feel in the pocket like he has now? That's stuff that most players are incapable of leaning over a career. For the ones who do, it takes most of them years. Baker did it on-the-fly.

When people wanted to trash Baker over his inaccurate throws, I said that it was likely due to inconsistent and improper footwork which is to be expected with Van Pelt changing Baker's footwork. What do you know, as his footwork is finding him a better platform to throw from, his accuracy issues have gone away. He's not throwing those erratic passes with his hips parallel to the line of scrimmage and it's paying off in spades.

Someone pointing out where the deficiencies are, and where Baker can improve, doesn't make that person a skeptic, a hater, or anything else. But hey, I guess I should just blindly swallow every narrative. How are all the members of the cult of Dorsey doing right now? How about the people who said Baker sucks and we have to get rid of him? What about the people saying the Browns would be a disaster because of analytics? Am I an OBJ hater because I didn't like the trade? Or am I an OBJ stan because I'm defending him now?

I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now, this "we need to get rid of OBJ because we can't play well with him on the field" joins the scrap heap of awful takes that aren't based on any knowledge or insight.

To be fair, I also wouldn't be surprised if it truly never works out with OBJ.

Pretending like things are definitive one way or the other is just jumping the gun at this point. I'm well aware that Baker's stats after that interception that led to OBJ's injury have been markedly improved. Let's go back to what was said at that time:



So yes, while you say "it can't possibly be anything OTHER than OBJ's injury!" there are a ton more variables involved. When OBJ went out, that was the first time all season our playcalling in the passing game started to be tailored towards Baker's strengths. He started to get more comfortable because we changed our playcalling to let Baker take deeper drops and see his tackles. This leads to a QB with better pocket presence, more comfort, and more confidence.

Sure, it's possible that Baker's comfort level and pocket presence improved because Beckham wasn't on the field, but I don't think that's likely. I'm chalking that up to correlation rather than causation until proven otherwise. Playcalling and natural growth seem more likely to me.

And hey, we know that there were changes besides OBJ being hurt. You even said so yourself:

Come on, bruh. You were just talking about Baker not showing improvement. I hate to do this but you're flip-flopping all over the place. This is you on November 29th:

I've been all aboard the five years of Baker train... but if Baker doesn't improve, and we can get Stafford or someone for just money--and not much more than what we'd be paying Baker? I do it. That's a significant upgrade.

Now you're claiming he was improving week-to-week? If he was improving week by week in certain things, why would you imply he wasn't improving overall? And on top of that fantasizing about getting Matthew Stafford.

This is also you when I said Baker was slowly improving against the zone. I said if you watch the film, you would see improvement and that he was slowly progressing:

I think myself and @Jordan were the first two to bring up his issues against zone, and his successes against man, which came directly out of the Cincinnati film. I think your insinuation here is pretty far off.

And another "if he improves"

If Baker improves, I could see him reaching a point where I'd prefer to re-sign him. Where he is right now, I would only plan on having him for his five year rookie deal and be looking to draft a replacement.

There's a gold mine in the Baker thread - so yes, I do find it ironic that you're now claiming he was improving week-by-week. And hilarious that you're always name-dropping @Jordan for some reason, as if it's supposed to give you some RCF cred. Come on, you're better than this.

Someone pointing out where the deficiencies are, and where Baker can improve, doesn't make that person a skeptic, a hater, or anything else.

Point out all of his deficiencies that you want, but you've clearly implied that he wasn't improving week-by-week. It's literally in your statements. You were not saying, "If Baker doesn't improve his accuracy" or specifying areas you thought he wasn't improving in. You were summarizing him in totality - "If Baker doesn't improve".

You quoting other posts of yours taking opposite stances is irrelevant.

I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now, this "we need to get rid of OBJ because we can't play well with him on the field" joins the scrap heap of awful takes that aren't based on any knowledge or insight.

I think most people are saying that we HAVEN'T played well with OBJ on the field. This is an indisputable fact regardless of causation. As a result, we wouldn't mind if the team did move on from him if it meant helping the defense and getting out of that contract. That's not to say we CAN'T play well with him.

IMO, I think it's crazy that people so easily dismiss how a superstar player can have weight/gravity/impact that affects not only a young QB's decision-making, but a play-caller's as well. That ALONE can make the offense less smooth and natural when that player is on the field. It doesn't matter whose fault it is or whatever - it's a thing that actually exists, something even explained by a former NFL player.

 

[Jordan]

Come on, bruh. You were just talking about Baker not showing improvement. I hate to do this but you're flip-flopping all over the place. This is you on November 29th:



Now you're claiming he was improving week-to-week? If he was improving week by week in certain things, why would you imply he wasn't improving overall? And on top of that fantasizing about getting Matthew Stafford.

This is also you when I said Baker was slowly improving against the zone. I said if you watch the film, you would see improvement and that he was slowly progressing:


And another "if he improves"


There's a gold mine in the Baker thread - so yes, I do find it ironic that you're now claiming he was improving week-by-week. And hilarious that you're always name-dropping @Jordan for some reason, as if it's supposed to give you some RCF cred. Come on, you're better than this.


Point out all of his deficiencies that you want, but you've clearly implied that he wasn't improving week-by-week. It's literally in your statements. You were not saying, "If Baker doesn't improve his accuracy" or specifying areas you thought he wasn't improving in. You were summarizing him in totality - "If Baker doesn't improve".

You quoting other posts of yours taking opposite stances is irrelevant.


I think most people are saying that we HAVEN'T played well with OBJ on the field. This is an indisputable fact regardless of causation. As a result, we wouldn't mind if the team did move on from him if it meant helping the defense and getting out of that contract. That's not to say we CAN'T play well with him.

IMO, I think it's crazy that people so easily dismiss how a superstar player can have weight/gravity/impact that affects not only a young QB's decision-making, but a play-caller's as well. That ALONE can make the offense less smooth and natural when that player is on the field. It doesn't matter whose fault it is or whatever - it's a thing that actually exists, something even explained by a former NFL player.

Wtf did I do? Lol. Rafters and I just talk Browns frequently and he is just referencing those conversations so others can go find them. Rafters know way more about football than I do, anyways.

 

[Deezus]

Come on, bruh. You were just talking about Baker not showing improvement. I hate to do this but you're flip-flopping all over the place. This is you on November 29th:



Now you're claiming he was improving week-to-week? If he was improving week by week in certain things, why would you imply he wasn't improving overall? And on top of that fantasizing about getting Matthew Stafford.

This is also you when I said Baker was slowly improving against the zone. I said if you watch the film, you would see improvement and that he was slowly progressing:


And another "if he improves"


There's a gold mine in the Baker thread - so yes, I do find it ironic that you're now claiming he was improving week-by-week. And hilarious that you're always name-dropping @Jordan for some reason, as if it's supposed to give you some RCF cred. Come on, you're better than this.


Point out all of his deficiencies that you want, but you've clearly implied that he wasn't improving week-by-week. It's literally in your statements. You were not saying, "If Baker doesn't improve his accuracy" or specifying areas you thought he wasn't improving in. You were summarizing him in totality - "If Baker doesn't improve".

You quoting other posts of yours taking opposite stances is irrelevant.


I think most people are saying that we HAVEN'T played well with OBJ on the field. This is an indisputable fact regardless of causation. As a result, we wouldn't mind if the team did move on from him if it meant helping the defense and getting out of that contract. That's not to say we CAN'T play well with him.

IMO, I think it's crazy that people so easily dismiss how a superstar player can have weight/gravity/impact that affects not only a young QB's decision-making, but a play-caller's as well. That ALONE can make the offense less smooth and natural when that player is on the field. It doesn't matter whose fault it is or whatever - it's a thing that actually exists, something even explained by a former NFL player.

@Vee-Rex dropping bombs in here! Respect!

 

[I'mWithDan]

Can anyone can point out some other factor on the team this year that explains Baker's turn around after game 6?

Honestly, things didn’t really click until portions of the Jags game and then week 13 against the Titans. At least to me.

During weeks 7-11, I think there was a marked difference in his pocket fundamentals....footwork, climbing techniques and an effort to avoid east / west escape attempts. Is that type of improvement really the result of one player being gone or just good coaching and player development?

Baker played well against a crappy Bengals team in week 7 but then generally slogged his way through the bad weather games, where he looked fine but didn’t do a whole lot that indicated a corner was turned. To me, when looking at opposing counterparts, he only played better than Wentz in those 3 games and Carson was eventually benched because he has been abjectly terrible.

I honestly think a lot of the hand wringing with OBJ is a rather flimsy argument that Baker dramatically improved immediately after his injury, when in reality, it was 1 good game against a bad team (that probably would have happened with or without OBJ) and then a couple games that are anyone’s guess, due to weather (but seemed to show some fundamental improvement via coaching and player dev).

Certainly, Baker started looking very different around week 12.......but to me, the weather games strike me as something the anti or pro OBJ crowd could use, because even though the weather wasn’t good, it is not as if Baker did anything noteworthy, to suggest they are an indication of anything.

Assuming OBJ is 100% early next year, I think that is when we get an answer. If the offense sputters out and Baker spends time locking on and forcing him the ball, then I think at that point, people will be able to make the argument.

 

[DJTJ]

Honestly, things didn’t really click until portions of the Jags game and then week 13 against the Titans. At least to me.

During weeks 7-11, I think there was a marked difference in his pocket fundamentals too....footwork, climbing techniques and an effort to avoid east / west escape attempts. Is that type of improvement really the result of one player being gone or just good coaching and player development?

Baker played well against a crappy Bengals team in week 7 but then generally slogged his way through the bad weather games, where he looked fine but didn’t do a whole lot that indicated a corner was turned. To me, when looking at opposing counterparts, he only played better than Wentz in those 3 games and Carson was eventually benched because he has been abjectly terrible.

I honestly think a lot of the hand wringing with OBJ is a rather flimsy argument that Baker dramatically improved immediately after his injury, when in reality, it was 1 good game against a bad team (that probably would have happened with or without OBJ) and then a couple games that are anyone’s guess, due to weather (but seemed to show some fundamental improvement via coaching and player dev).

Certainly, Baker started looking very different around week 12.......but to me, the weather games strike me as something the anti or pro OBJ crowd could use, because even though the weather wasn’t good, it is not as if Baker did anything noteworthy, to suggest they are an indication of anything.

Assuming OBJ is 100% early next year, I think that is when we get an answer. If the offense sputters out and Baker spends time locking on and forcing him the ball, then I think at that point, people will be able to make the argument.

The biggest take away from the weather games was, largely, the consistency in his footwork and willingness to be in the pocket. It was a marked improvement.

As for the no OBJ/OBJ topic- OBJ pulls the best corner, and is targeted, largely, on routes expected to be less successful. And that’s how it should be- the issue was (and I think this is going to go away next season because of Baker/Pocket) that when Baker left the pocket, or moved within it, his footwork became messy and he began throwing covered routes, especially to OBJ. A lot of bad 50/50 ball decisions.

Where OBJ brought the team down is when he ran underneath routes and dropped easy passes (Jarvis has done this all year too). The problem, money wise, is that OBJ 100% is valuable to this team as, essentially a decoy/big play threat, but unless they’re going to commit to him essentially replicating Higgins in this current offense and refusing to deviate, then why pay?

 

[I'mWithDan]

The biggest take away from the weather games was, largely, the consistency in his footwork and willingness to be in the pocket. It was a marked improvement.

As for the no OBJ/OBJ topic- OBJ pulls the best corner, and is targeted, largely, on routes expected to be less successful. And that’s how it should be- the issue was (and I think this is going to go away next season because of Baker/Pocket) that when Baker left the pocket, or moved within it, his footwork became messy and he began throwing covered routes, especially to OBJ. A lot of bad 50/50 ball decisions.

Where OBJ brought the team down is when he ran underneath routes and dropped easy passes (Jarvis has done this all year too). The problem, money wise, is that OBJ 100% is valuable to this team as, essentially a decoy/big play threat, but unless they’re going to commit to him essentially replicating Higgins in this current offense and refusing to deviate, then why pay?

I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m more so kind of on the fence. I see both sides of the argument here and I am still not convinced that Baker’s play is so simply explained by a single event (OBJ’s injury).

A lot of that, for me, has to do with how little credit that gives to other players and coaches. Where it has been obvious that, as the season has wore on, both players and coaches have shown an ability to get better. Singularly attributing that to one player, to me, doesn’t give everyone their due.

If I was making a guess, I honestly think it is more of a situation like with Kareem. Where the coaching staff was really dialing in how to use guys and then suddenly something really clicked with scheme / role / player......and Kareem has been an absolute stud in his role.

It wouldn’t surprise me if OBJ ends up being the problem......but it also wouldn’t surprise me if it was just a matter of the feeling out process either. Guess we’ll see.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m more so kind of on the fence. I see both sides of the argument here and I am still not convinced that Baker’s play is so simply explained by a single event (OBJ’s injury).

A lot of that, for me, has to do with how little credit that gives to other players and coaches. Where it has been obvious that, as the season has wore on, both players and coaches have shown an ability to get better. Singularly attributing that to one player, to me, doesn’t give everyone their due.

If I was making a guess, I honestly think it is more of a situation like with Kareem. Where the coaching staff was really dialing in how to use guys and then suddenly something really clicked with scheme / role / player......and Kareem has been an absolute stud in his role.

It wouldn’t surprise me if OBJ ends up being the problem......but it also wouldn’t surprise me if it was just a matter of the feeling out process either. Guess we’ll see.

I'm in agreement with your position, this post and the one before.

One wrinkle I'd like to add that pushes me a little closer to the "Our OBJ-less offense is more smooth" is the fact that he and Baker have never had any sort of chemistry.

I mean, not only does Baker seem to throw into double coverage with OBJ and look for him often, but when he DOES throw it to him they don't seem to be on the same page. The ball is usually too far in front, behind, or too high.

If you remember in the Giants game, Baker was destroying their zone by connecting on deep 15+ yard curls to Higgins and Landry. These types of routes need chemistry, because depending on the leverage of the defenders, the receiver has to know how sharp the curl must be (whether just turning around or rounding out the curl 5+ yards laterally). On one play, Baker threw it behind Landry. We don't know if Baker was just inaccurate, or if he expected Landry to just turn around instead of curling. This happened A LOT with OBJ, as it seemed like they just weren't on the same page.

Really - it's all on film and Jake Burns was ripping Baker apart earlier in the year (Steelers game, 2nd half Colts, etc...) for targeting OBJ when there were other guys open. Baker seemed to make more decisions pre-snap than post-snap. It was a less fluent offense.

TLDR: Even if we are to ignore the poor decision making from Baker when OBJ is on the field and assume it's 100% correlation and not causation - the one thing we cannot deny is that QB1 and OBJ's chemistry on timing and option routes is pretty terrible. And those can absolutely have a huge impact on the end result of a game. I haven't given up on OBJ/Baker, especially if they get a full offseason in this offense. But I also won't be mad if our glorious Mr. Berry decide he'd rather spend 14 million elsewhere.

 

[Randolphkeys]

He could have used OBJ today.