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BimboColesHair said:
The Indians, unlike ~90% of the league, do not share detailed information on their prospects with ranking services or provide scouting department videos to them. Means if you want to get a good idea of how good their farm system is you have to go to the games yourself to see them. BA, BP, Fangraphs, MLB.com, etc. don’t have that kind of manpower, especially for how many games you would need to see an individual player play in order to get a good idea of them as a player.
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I'm only asking this question because I don't know. I also don't know if anybody knows for sure. Does this approach have negative effects on how the rest of the league views some of Cleveland's prospects? I'm sure that opposing organizations have reads on Cleveland's prospects, but that brings to question if rankings matter in trades?
 
CDAV45 said:
I'm only asking this question because I don't know. I also don't know if anybody knows for sure. Does this approach have negative effects on how the rest of the league views some of Cleveland's prospects? I'm sure that opposing organizations have reads on Cleveland's prospects, but that brings to question if rankings matter in trades?
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No.

And I've said in here countless times that rankings on these places, "FV", and grades given by these places means jack shit. No one is using FV or looking at other organizations MLB Pipeline Top 30 page when making trades.

It's a good resource for fans and writers. Keeps everything simplified when we are talking about perhaps the most complex system in sports. Outside of that it is useless.
 
BimboColesHair said:
No.

And I've said in here countless times that rankings on these places, "FV", and grades given by these places means jack shit. No one is using FV or looking at other organizations MLB Pipeline Top 30 page when making trades.

It's a good resource for fans and writers. Keeps everything simplified when we are talking about perhaps the most complex system in sports. Outside of that it is useless.
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I figured as much. I've called to question rankings numerous times over the years, and while it's a little useful/informative to fans, it doesn't always bear accurate information/reports. Talent and how it performs relative to age and league are the best indicators for sure.

Brings back an argument I had on the old board regarding Billy McKinney compared to Tyler Naquin. National pundits raved about McKinney and wouldn't say a word about Naquin when it was clear that Naquin's abilities were at least equal to McKinney's. I thought his hit tool was better. Anyway......
 
LL3 said:
Do they "not share" because they see it as some sort of competitive advantage? ...or is it just time/effort they do not want expend in that fashion? Other?
I mean, I know the answer...I am just asking for @sportscoach ...he wants to know.
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No and no.

Some of the reasons I can't discuss. Some of it is because they don't want the way they develop their guys getting out to other teams by means of these services. But it's been that way in the organization for a long time.
 
BimboColesHair said:
No and no.

Some of the reasons I can't discuss. Some of it is because they don't want the way they develop their guys getting out to other teams by means of these services. But it's been that way in the organization for a long time.
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It does sound like it is something of a competitive advantage issue...not wanting to to give out info as to methods,. etc.....completely understandable if they feel they have something to protect.
 
LL3 said:
It does sound like it is something of a competitive advantage issue...not wanting to to give out info as to methods,. etc.....completely understandable if they feel they have something to protect.
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It's not.

MLB teams see a lot of the Indians prospects and the Indians see a lot of other teams prospects. Most teams have at least 2 dedicated advanced scouts at each level following other teams before theirs comes to town to play that team. It's not like teams are in the blind on their prospects because MLB.com doesn't have a lot of information on guys...

It's a competitive advantage if you think ranking services are used by franchises when trades are on the table. They aren't.
 
BimboColesHair said:
It's not.

MLB teams see a lot of the Indians prospects and the Indians see a lot of other teams prospects. Most teams have at least 2 dedicated advanced scouts at each level following other teams before theirs comes to town to play that team. It's not like teams are in the blind on their prospects because MLB.com doesn't have a lot of information on guys...

It's a competitive advantage if you think ranking services are used by franchises when trades are on the table. They aren't.
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I was reacting to your statement above...."Some of it is because they don't want the way they develop their guys getting out to other teams by means of these services"
 
LL3 said:
I was reacting to your statement above...."Some of it is because they don't want the way they develop their guys getting out to other teams by means of these services"
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Ahh, I got ya. As far as development goes, yes, they want any advantage they can get because they rely on it more than most franchises to infuse talent.

But also it isn't like they're reinventing the wheel and other teams can't know what is going on. Lot of former employees with other franchises who know what they do, and the Indians are very open to sharing info with other franchises or having other franchises personnel come into their camp to share ideas.

But the technology aspect of their scouting department/video department is a big thing that sets them apart and that's a huge thing they don't want anyone seeing outside of the organization.
 
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