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So.....effectively if say 96% of the pitchers are using it.....is it 'cheating'? Of course it is a pitching over hitting advantage, but if my guy is using it just like your guy is using.....the relative effect is muted over say a situation where ONLY Houston is using it......
so it's possible that an Astros pitcher could throw out his gum wrapper between innings and inadvertently walk out to the mound with a trash can lid stuck to his glove?
 
so it's possible that an Astros pitcher could throw out his gum wrapper between innings and inadvertently walk out to the mound with a trash can lid stuck to his glove?
Yes! Exactly
 
OK, not to feed the pitching conspiracy beast that is jup, but watching Shaw throw 98 mph cutters with ridiculous movement had me wondering WTF.
 
OK, not to feed the pitching conspiracy beast that is jup, but watching Shaw throw 98 mph cutters with ridiculous movement had me wondering WTF.
Very impressed with what I've seen from him in ST and so far in reg season. Looks like I was wrong on him. I hope I'm wrong on him.
 
Conspiracy - that is funny.

Maybe pitching enthusiast ???:woohoo3:

It is all about knowing how to spin a ball this day and age in pitching
I don't think you're a conspiracy theorist at all jup, I was joking. You are certainly an enthusiast and I appreciate the info you give us here. I know I wouldn't find it on my own.
 
I read that the Atlantic League, which is a minor league consisting of eight teams and 40% of players who have major league experience, will be experimenting by increasing the distance from the pitching rubber to home plate by 12" this year. Scientists have calculated that the extra foot will make a 93 mph fastball look like 91 mph.

This is in response to the increase in strikeouts which reduces action. In 2010 the major league K rate was 18.5%. So far in 2021 it's 24.4%. Over the course of a season this is about 10,500 additional strikeouts or about 4.3 per game. I can see what they're getting at after watching the Indians/White Sox series. It was mostly K's and HR's. Not much action. Heck, there was a no-hitter and a nine inning shutout. Most relievers are throwing in the high 90's.

All that work the pitchers have been doing with weighted baseballs and sticky substances and high speed photography and tunneling have given them the edge over hitters. The same thing happened in the late 60's (remember Denny McClain's 31 wins and Luis Tiant's 1.60 ERA in 1968?). So they lowered the mound to try and restore the balance. They also added a DH, at least in one league.

Now they're experimenting with changing the distance. I think it's going to happen. The game is getting difficult to watch and they're having trouble attracting young fans.

A survey by Street and Smith's Sports Business Journal pegged the average age of a national television MLB broadcast viewer at 57-years-old. By comparison, the average age of an NBA broadcast viewer on national television in the same survey was only 42-years-old.

I wonder what the average age on this forum is.
 
I read that the Atlantic League, which is a minor league consisting of eight teams and 40% of players who have major league experience, will be experimenting by increasing the distance from the pitching rubber to home plate by 12" this year. Scientists have calculated that the extra foot will make a 93 mph fastball look like 91 mph.

This is in response to the increase in strikeouts which reduces action. In 2010 the major league K rate was 18.5%. So far in 2021 it's 24.4%. Over the course of a season this is about 10,500 additional strikeouts or about 4.3 per game. I can see what they're getting at after watching the Indians/White Sox series. It was mostly K's and HR's. Not much action. Heck, there was a no-hitter and a nine inning shutout. Most relievers are throwing in the high 90's.

All that work the pitchers have been doing with weighted baseballs and sticky substances and high speed photography and tunneling have given them the edge over hitters. The same thing happened in the late 60's (remember Denny McClain's 31 wins and Luis Tiant's 1.60 ERA in 1968?). So they lowered the mound to try and restore the balance. They also added a DH, at least in one league.

Now they're experimenting with changing the distance. I think it's going to happen. The game is getting difficult to watch and they're having trouble attracting young fans.

A survey by Street and Smith's Sports Business Journal pegged the average age of a national television MLB broadcast viewer at 57-years-old. By comparison, the average age of an NBA broadcast viewer on national television in the same survey was only 42-years-old.

I wonder what the average age on this forum is.
The key word here is WORK.

Pitchers and pitching innovators have been out there perfecting their craft while those guys with clubs ... not so much. Time for hitters to "step up to the plate" so to say. It isn't the American way to penalize those that build a better mousetrap. Leave the pitchers and the mound alone and put the honus where it belongs.
 
One of the unintended consequences of all this mound moving talk is breaking balls.

Spin effects are very constant. That is to say that the spin rate on the ball changes very little on the way to the plate whereas the drag on velocity is fairly large. A ball out of the hand at say 90 might only be mid eighties at the plate, whereas 2500 rpm out of the hand will be about 2470 rpm at the plate. And to what end is this important? Acceleration.

Each second the ball is in the air the spin effects accelerate its velocity (think movement) in the spin induced direction.
So all this late break stuff you hear announcers and pundits go on about :9: is really just the velocity increase based on the constant acceleration caused by the spin effects on the way to the plate. Increase the time in the air by moving the mound back and you increase the velocity of the ball in the spin induced direction. Move the mound back to much and you will see sweeping sliders that start well behind the hitter and end up in the opposite batters box. CB's that start about 6 ft over the hitters head which catch the top of the zone when they come screaming down like a bat out of hell. Slow pitch softball with the ball moving about 80mph straight down anyone ?

Have fun hitting those things you club toting guys.
 
One of the unintended consequences of all this mound moving talk is breaking balls.

Spin effects are very constant. That is to say that the spin rate on the ball changes very little on the way to the plate whereas the drag on velocity is fairly large. A ball out of the hand at say 90 might only be mid eighties at the plate, whereas 2500 rpm out of the hand will be about 2470 rpm at the plate. And to what end is this important? Acceleration.

Each second the ball is in the air the spin effects accelerate its velocity (think movement) in the spin induced direction.
So all this late break stuff you hear announcers and pundits go on about :9: is really just the velocity increase based on the constant acceleration caused by the spin effects on the way to the plate. Increase the time in the air by moving the mound back and you increase the velocity of the ball in the spin induced direction. Move the mound back to much and you will see sweeping sliders that start well behind the hitter and end up in the opposite batters box. CB's that start about 6 ft over the hitters head which catch the top of the zone when they come screaming down like a bat out of hell. Slow pitch softball with the ball moving about 80mph straight down anyone ?

Have fun hitting those things you club toting guys.
Yeah but if the ball starts breaking 12" further from the plate won't it give the hitters more time to recognize the pitch and react to it? How can making the ball travel a further distance before getting to the plate possibly not make it easier for the hitter? For one thing they get a little more time to observe the trajectory of the ball. The pitcher is throwing at the same size strike zone from farther away so it will be tougher to paint the corners.
 
@jup - since you raised the "unintended consequences" angle, what do you think about rule tying the use of the DH to the starting pitcher??

Personally I do not like it - mainly due to unintended consequences. I see the rule as an attempt to dissuade use of the opener (& that idea I can get behind) but there are other reasons a starter does not pitch 5 innings. For example: SP gets shelled in 1st inning & gets removed (a la Plesac on weds) & his team loses the DH going forward or as another example the SP gets nailed by a ball up the middle & has to come out of the game, the DH is gone too.

I am in favor of the rule where relievers needing to see 3 batters. I would suggest starters/ openers need to see 9 batters (over 1 or more innings). In some cases teams would not use an opener but I could envision some pitchers still being an opener for 9 batters.

I would also favor SP only needing to go 4 IP to get a W (especially in a 7 inning doubleheader)..
 
@jup - since you raised the "unintended consequences" angle, what do you think about rule tying the use of the DH to the starting pitcher??

Personally I do not like it - mainly due to unintended consequences. I see the rule as an attempt to dissuade use of the opener (& that idea I can get behind) but there are other reasons a starter does not pitch 5 innings. For example: SP gets shelled in 1st inning & gets removed (a la Plesac on weds) & his team loses the DH going forward or as another example the SP gets nailed by a ball up the middle & has to come out of the game, the DH is gone too.

I am in favor of the rule where relievers needing to see 3 batters. I would suggest starters/ openers need to see 9 batters (over 1 or more innings). In some cases teams would not use an opener but I could envision some pitchers still being an opener for 9 batters.

I would also favor SP only needing to go 4 IP to get a W (especially in a 7 inning doubleheader)..
Why don’t we just leave the game alone
 

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