Ben Simmons: He’s who the people want.

[Dr. Claw]

Can we add Tobias to this list and title? Like please dont trade for Ben Simmons and/or Tobias Harris.

I see nothing that Tobias does will help us long term and he is owed 77 million over 2 years AFTER this year.

Agreed.

As far as Simmons is concerned, all he really has to offer is height; the rest we get from Rajon Rondo for far cheaper (and as we've seen, Rondo will attempt 3-pointers with no issue).

 

[2 For The Brew]

Sources: Simmons status unchanged as sides talk

Ben Simmons is no closer to honoring the Sixers' hopes for a return to the court this season -- and Philly's steep asking price has brought the All-Star guard no closer to a potential trade, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Wednesday.

www.espn.com

Here's the part that pisses me off:

Paul told the Sixers that Simmons' mental health hurdles continue to preclude him from a return to play with the team

To which I say: BULL. FUCKING. SHIT.

One of the reasons why mental illness continues to carry some stigma today (fortunately not as much as years ago) is this belief, being propagated here by Paul, that mental illness can be turned on or off. If Simmons is truly too mentally ill to play with the Sixers, then he is too mentally ill to play with any team. He needs to work on his mental issues, far away from basketball, and return once he has a better handle on them.

Think of how stupid it would be to say that Simmons had, say, a knee injury that would preclude him from playing with Philly, but that his knee would suddenly be fine and allow him to play with another team if he were traded there. That's effectively what Paul (and Simmons) are saying here -- that his mental health precludes him from playing for one team, but not 29 others.

And that just pisses me off. He's making a mockery of legitimate illnesses and minimizing the people who suffer from them. Fuck this guy in the ear.

tl;dr Earache, my eye!

 

[2 For The Brew]

The “Ben Simmons has a mental illness so the Sixers have to pay him” is too lame to pass the laugh test.

This isn’t Rich Paul’s fault at all. Ben won’t play for the Sixers, wants a trade, and wants to be paid even if he refuses to play.

Rich is doing what he can for an impossible client.

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Ben isn’t traded. That would be hilarious.

As for Harris - I think he’s overrated and too expensive. Pass.

 

[MirORich]

Agreed.

As far as Simmons is concerned, all he really has to offer is height; the rest we get from Rajon Rondo for far cheaper (and as we've seen, Rondo will attempt 3-pointers with no issue).

Simmons will be very rusty.

And a lot of people, and justifiably so, have the memories of his most recent payoff series etched in their head.

But he is now going from overrated to comically underrated in some regards.

I still don't want the Cavs to trade for him for a variety of reasons, but suggesting he provides no more then 2021 Rajon Rondo is highly reductive of Simmons' overall two way impact and skillset

 

[Futuredome]

He is a nonfit. Pretty clear Garland/Mobley are the ballhandler playmaking duo(as much as I would like to replace Garland) in the braintrust's eyes. Simmons would just get in the way.

 

[ryanf]

The “Ben Simmons has a mental illness so the Sixers have to pay him” is too lame to pass the laugh test.

This isn’t Rich Paul’s fault at all. Ben won’t play for the Sixers, wants a trade, and wants to be paid even if he refuses to play.

Rich is doing what he can for an impossible client.

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Ben isn’t traded. That would be hilarious.

As for Harris - I think he’s overrated and too expensive. Pass.

i have hunch that rich paul is in simmons ear on this, so i don't give him a pass for having an "impossible client" that he himself have created.

 

[AllforOne]

i have hunch that rich paul is in simmons ear on this, so i don't give him a pass for having an "impossible client" that he himself have created.

I agree with both you and @2 For The Brew . I think they both have culpability here.

Again, for me, the issue is that they're using mental illness as a justification for Simmons not being able to play now for Philly - but that he will magically be able to play for a team he is traded to.

It reminds me of an Abnormal Psychology class I took in college. On the first day of class, the prof gave us a homework assignment - on the day of the next day's class, we were to wear two different shoes all day. Like a dress shoe on one foot and a sneaker on the other. The professor's idea was that people with mental illnesses feel as though their condition is glaringly obvious to the world, to the point where others will notice and possibly laugh; and he wanted us students to get a taste of that feeling.

Of course, all of us students wore our normal shoes all day, ducked into a bathroom just before class to put on the other shoe, and walked into class as though we had been wearing it all day. And then right after class, we took off the mismatched shoe, took the "correct" shoe out of our backpacks, put it on, and went back to normal.

Simmons and Paul are acting as though his mental "illness" is as easy as taking shoes on and off, and that as soon as Simmons is traded, he'll take off the mismatched shoe and put the correct one on. The whole point is that mental illness doesn't work that way. It's no different than me claiming I have cancer right now, and then tomorrow, I don't. It's nothing more than an act, a performance designed to keep Simmons from playing while still collecting paychecks. And it's bullshit.

 

[ryanf]

I agree with both you and @2 For The Brew . I think they both have culpability here.

Again, for me, the issue is that they're using mental illness as a justification for Simmons not being able to play now for Philly - but that he will magically be able to play for a team he is traded to.

It reminds me of an Abnormal Psychology class I took in college. On the first day of class, the prof gave us a homework assignment - on the day of the next day's class, we were to wear two different shoes all day. Like a dress shoe on one foot and a sneaker on the other. The professor's idea was that people with mental illnesses feel as though their condition is glaringly obvious to the world, to the point where others will notice and possibly laugh; and he wanted us students to get a taste of that feeling.

Of course, all of us students wore our normal shoes all day, ducked into a bathroom just before class to put on the other shoe, and walked into class as though we had been wearing it all day. And then right after class, we took off the mismatched shoe, took the "correct" shoe out of our backpacks, put it on, and went back to normal.

Simmons and Paul are acting as though his mental "illness" is as easy as taking shoes on and off, and that as soon as Simmons is traded, he'll take off the mismatched shoe and put the correct one on. The whole point is that mental illness doesn't work that way. It's no different than me claiming I have cancer right now, and then tomorrow, I don't. It's nothing more than an act, a performance designed to keep Simmons from playing while still collecting paychecks. And it's bullshit.

Yes, playing the mental illness card is a grave disservice to those who actually do. A big part of me wants rich and simmons to suffer and lose money for doing this.

 

[sailfish]

Just spitballing, but this is the type of deal I think we may see for Simmons:

to ATL: Simmons, Harris, D. Green

to PHI: Collins, Gallinari, Bogdanovic, Okongwu, Wright, & a 1st round pick

We may see Philly look to re-route Gallinari to a team with an ending contract, such as Rubio with the Cavs.

 

[rastamon87]

Just spitballing, but this is the type of deal I think we may see for Simmons:

to ATL: Simmons, Harris, D. Green

to PHI: Collins, Gallinari, Bogdanovic, Okongwu, Wright, & a 1st round pick

We may see Philly look to re-route Gallinari to a team with an ending contract, such as Rubio with the Cavs.

Ironic if Simmons is traded to the Hawks… the same team he last played against as a Sixer and where everything went haywire after being scared to shoot on a pivotal game

 

[Larry hughes]

 

[sailfish]

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Depends when the first round pick is and if there are any protections involved. Personally, I like Grant, but don't love him. He looks better than he really is on a weak team, like Detroit. Bey is the best player in the deal IMO. Olynyk is just cap filler.

I think Philly can get a better deal from either Sacramento or Atlanta.

 

[sportscoach]

Unless the 76ers pay us to take Simmons, I want nothing to do with him... plain and simple.

I liked him out of the draft, but he hasn't been anything but a headache and a cancer for the 76ers and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole... I'd rather have @Lee out there than Simmons...

 

[Lee]

Unless the 76ers pay us to take Simmons, I want nothing to do with him... plain and simple.

I liked him out of the draft, but he hasn't been anything but a headache and a cancer for the 76ers and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole... I'd rather have @Lee out there than Simmons...

I dont want Simmons either, but I assure you that you dont want me, a fat 50 year old, slow short white guy.

 

[adam81king]

I dont want Simmons either, but I assure you that you dont want me, a fat 50 year old, slow short white guy.

Kevin Pangos does this well...