Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class

[The Human Q-Tip]

Haha, sorry I respect King Crimson and being a drummer, really respect Bill Bruford. But, they are not in my top 10 favorite bands.

Bruford was just so damn inventive, included his pre-Crimson work with Yes. I keep reading Danny Carey needling him to come back and start drumming again.

Crimson has never been nominated, and I suspect would never get the votes even if they were nominated given Fripp's general hostility towards the business side of the industry.

 

[Randolphkeys]

"Female" isn't a musical genre like rap, hip-hop, metal, folk, disco, or any of the rest of them, and I don't think it should be seen as equivalent to them. There is always going to be some subjectivity in terms of genres because it involves inherently subjective musical taste. But that still is a distinguishing factor based on music, and it is a music Hall of Fame. Basing admittance on the presence or lack of a penis is something very different.

Wall of strawman. Never called it a music genre.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Wall of strawman. Never called it a music genre.

Of course you didn't call it a musical genre. I did that, and I did it to point out that metal and hip hop/rap were musical genres to rebut your claim that they were just "affinity groups" that were "much like" the affinity group of women.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

Bruford was just so damn inventive, included his pre-Crimson work with Yes. I keep reading Danny Carey needling him to come back and start drumming again.

Crimson has never been nominated, and I suspect would never get the votes even if they were nominated given Fripp's general hostility towards the business side of the industry.

I would guess unless someone was a drummer, they may not be as aware of what he did for the drums. One thing in particular, is the way he set-up his drums, in such an ergonomic fashion. NO ONE was doing that and many, many drummers (popular bands, as well) copied his ideas. Again, it is one of those situations you can not quantify the over-arching/influence on music writing and the approach to a drum kit.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Of course you didn't call it a musical genre. I did that, and I did it to point out that metal and hip hop/rap were musical genres to rebut your claim that they were just "affinity groups" that were "much like" the affinity group of women.

Rebuttal of an argument is not what strawman arguments accomplish.

At this point, I don't think I'm even presenting an opinion, let alone my own. I'm presenting how a popular music museum with a very closed process stops being profitable due to the change in the music business itself.

Would you say I'm misrepresenting what has happened to the recording industry?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

2022 Nominations

(Asterisks indicate artists receiving their first nomination.)

• Beck*
• Pat Benatar
• Kate Bush
• DEVO
• Duran Duran*
• Eminem*
• Eurythmics
• Judas Priest
• Fela Kuti
• MC5
• New York Dolls
• Dolly Parton*
• Rage Against the Machine
• Lionel Richie*
• Carly Simon*
• A Tribe Called Quest*
• Dionne Warwick

I cast a useless online vote for Kate Bush. Doubt she'll make it, but she should. I'm betting @Randolphkeys is with me on that one....

 

[Arketebel]

2022 Nominations

(Asterisks indicate artists receiving their first nomination.)

• Beck*
• Pat Benatar
• Kate Bush
• DEVO
• Duran Duran*
• Eminem*
• Eurythmics
• Judas Priest
• Fela Kuti
• MC5
• New York Dolls
• Dolly Parton*
• Rage Against the Machine
• Lionel Richie*
• Carly Simon*
• A Tribe Called Quest*
• Dionne Warwick

I cast a useless online vote for Kate Bush. Doubt she'll make it, but she should. I'm betting @Randolphkeys is with me on that one....

If the RRHOF was a collaborative effort, and not a US and Rolling Stone biased entity, from the start, Kate Bush and other artists with a lot of UK success would've been in long ago.

It has improved, so there is a lot of catching up to do.

The "snubs" make these lists harder and harder as the years go by.

My guess is the following will get in:
Pat Benatar
DEVO
Eminem
Dolly Parton

And these may:
Duran Duran
MC5
Lionel Ritchie

The rest are kept out due to similar genres or body of work to others inducted, or simply being in the wrong subgenre of rock such as metal/glam/punk.

 

[The Oi]

I just…

Dolly Parton
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest
Lionel Ritchie…

It’s the fucking rock n roll hall of fame. Create a goddamn rap and hip hop hall of fame or far better yet rename this the music hall of fame.

 

[Arketebel]

I just…

Dolly Parton
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest
Lionel Ritchie…

It’s the fucking rock n roll hall of fame. Create a goddamn rap and hip hop hall of fame or far better yet rename this the music hall of fame.

True. It's keeping out bands such as Marcy Playground and Seven Mary Three.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I personally place more value on creativity/invention than popularity. Just being "really good" playing the stuff others have basically played before doesn't seem HOF-like to me.

Lionel Ritchie sold a shit-ton of records, but I'd still take Devo for their sheer inventiveness. Their cover of Satisfaction was brilliant:


There's a cool story about Mick Jagger giving his approval to Devo's version of Satisfaction:

One afternoon in 1978, Mark Mothersbaugh and Gerald Casale—the two prime architects of the band Devo—were fidgeting in Peter Rudge’s office, near the Warwick Hotel, in Manhattan, with Mick Jagger. Rudge was the Rolling Stones’ manager, and Devo had recorded an odd cover of the band’s hit “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction”—so odd that their label said they needed Jagger’s blessing to release it. Mothersbaugh put the tape in a boom box and pressed Play. As the sounds of the cover filled the room, Jagger sat stone-faced. What he was hearing didn’t sound much like the “Satisfaction” he’d written. Keith Richards’s iconic riff was gone, and the original melody was nowhere to be found. Was this a homage, Mick must have wondered, or were they mocking him? “He was just looking down at the floor swirling his glass of red wine,” Casale recently remembered, adding, “He didn’t even have shoes on, just socks and some velour pants. I don’t know what his habits were then, but this was early afternoon and it looked like he had just gotten up.”

For thirty seconds or so, the men sat in silence, listening to the weird robo-funk coming from the boom box. Then something changed. “He suddenly stood up and started dancing around on this Afghan rug in front of the fireplace,” Casale said, of Jagger, “the sort of rooster-man dance he used to do, and saying”—he impersonated Jagger’s accent—“‘I like it, I like it.’ Mark and I lit up, big smiles on our faces, like in ‘Wayne’s World’: ‘We’re not worthy!’ To see your icon that you grew up admiring, that you had seen in concert, dancing around like Mick Jagger being Mick Jagger. It was unbelievable.

The Story Behind Devoâs Iconic Cover of the Rolling Stonesâ âSatisfactionâ

In 1977, five misfits from Ohio took a rock-and-roll classic and mutated it beyond recognition.

www.newyorker.com

I just love the image of Jagger dancing to Devo's version.

 

[jjvors]

2022 Nominations

(Asterisks indicate artists receiving their first nomination.)

• Beck*
• Pat Benatar
• Kate Bush
• DEVO
• Duran Duran*
• Eminem*
• Eurythmics
• Judas Priest
• Fela Kuti
• MC5
• New York Dolls
• Dolly Parton*
• Rage Against the Machine
• Lionel Richie*
• Carly Simon*
• A Tribe Called Quest*
• Dionne Warwick

I cast a useless online vote for Kate Bush. Doubt she'll make it, but she should. I'm betting @Randolphkeys is with me on that one....

I vote for Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon, and Dionne Warwick.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I just…

Dolly Parton
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest
Lionel Ritchie…

It’s the fucking rock n roll hall of fame. Create a goddamn rap and hip hop hall of fame or far better yet rename this the music hall of fame.

When I read this line of complaining, it starts to feel like an old man complaining about his cell phone. How many years are acceptable for adapting to this change?

We know and expect the categories now.

We know somebody British will make it in who pissed off the previous American-centric ownership. We know there will be a female pop star represented. That's how you convince your wife or girlfriend to tour the HOF with you. Of course there will be a rap act. In new music, I don't even see much of a line between rap and rock anymore.

Here's my prediction. Last year six made it in as performers, three made it in as "influencers".

Category-less Performers - Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Lionel Ritchie (I am counting his work with The Commodores in with his solo work, and the Commodores shit is great.)

Chick Category/British Makeups - Eurythmics, Kate Bush

Rap - Eminem

Early influencers: DEVO, MC5, Tribe Called Quest.

I think DEVO should have been in a long time ago, so if they don't make it as performers, they get the Kraftwerk side-door entry.

 

[KevinLoveFan]

I didn't realize King Crimson isn't in the HOF. They are my 2nd favorite prog band after Yes, and just ahead of Porcupine Tree. The Red album in particular is a masterpiece IMO.

Yes I'm one of five women into prog. I used to post to the alt.music.yes newsgroup in my teenage years.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I didn't realize King Crimson isn't in the HOF. They are my 2nd favorite prog band after Yes, and just ahead of Porcupine Tree. The Red album in particular is a masterpiece IMO.

Yes I'm one of five women into prog. I used to post to the alt.music.yes newsgroup in my teenage years.

The crime here is that Jethro Tull still isn't in because the oligarch Jann Werner had a personal beef with Ian Anderson.

Tull has a new album coming out this year. They are still at it. If Anderson skips the tights and cod piece this time around, I'm hopeful he has a chance to get in.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I didn't realize King Crimson isn't in the HOF. They are my 2nd favorite prog band after Yes, and just ahead of Porcupine Tree. The Red album in particular is a masterpiece IMO.

Yes I'm one of five women into prog. I used to post to the alt.music.yes newsgroup in my teenage years.

That's the common joke - there's never a line at the women's restroom at a prog concert.

Their show I saw in 2017 was the best concert I've ever seen. They were unbelievable.