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The crime here is that Jethro Tull still isn't in because the oligarch Jann Werner had a personal beef with Ian Anderson.

Tull has a new album coming out this year. They are still at it. If Anderson skips the tights and cod piece this time around, I'm hopeful he has a chance to get in.
I got a little into Tull back in the day, too. Always liked how "Living in the Past" was in 5/4 time, like "Time Out" by Brubeck. The unusual time signatures frequent in prog were always something I was drawn to.
 
I personally place more value on creativity/invention than popularity. Just being "really good" playing the stuff others have basically played before doesn't seem HOF-like to me.

Lionel Ritchie sold a shit-ton of records, but I'd still take Devo for their sheer inventiveness. Their cover of Satisfaction was brilliant:


There's a cool story about Mick Jagger giving his approval to Devo's version of Satisfaction:

One afternoon in 1978, Mark Mothersbaugh and Gerald Casale—the two prime architects of the band Devo—were fidgeting in Peter Rudge’s office, near the Warwick Hotel, in Manhattan, with Mick Jagger. Rudge was the Rolling Stones’ manager, and Devo had recorded an odd cover of the band’s hit “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction”—so odd that their label said they needed Jagger’s blessing to release it. Mothersbaugh put the tape in a boom box and pressed Play. As the sounds of the cover filled the room, Jagger sat stone-faced. What he was hearing didn’t sound much like the “Satisfaction” he’d written. Keith Richards’s iconic riff was gone, and the original melody was nowhere to be found. Was this a homage, Mick must have wondered, or were they mocking him? “He was just looking down at the floor swirling his glass of red wine,” Casale recently remembered, adding, “He didn’t even have shoes on, just socks and some velour pants. I don’t know what his habits were then, but this was early afternoon and it looked like he had just gotten up.”

For thirty seconds or so, the men sat in silence, listening to the weird robo-funk coming from the boom box. Then something changed. “He suddenly stood up and started dancing around on this Afghan rug in front of the fireplace,” Casale said, of Jagger, “the sort of rooster-man dance he used to do, and saying”—he impersonated Jagger’s accent—“‘I like it, I like it.’ Mark and I lit up, big smiles on our faces, like in ‘Wayne’s World’: ‘We’re not worthy!’ To see your icon that you grew up admiring, that you had seen in concert, dancing around like Mick Jagger being Mick Jagger. It was unbelievable.



I just love the image of Jagger dancing to Devo's version.

Most musicians (not all) are very open minded about other genres and cover's of their music.

I am a huge Hall and Oates fan and watched Daryl's House. Every week there is a new artist covering his songs. Anyways, Daryl is more R&B/Pop than anything else. Wycleff Jean was a guest one week and did a hip hop version of Rich Girl that could of been a hit in its own right, ,but also in the after interview Daryl just loved. In another week Smokey Robinson was the guest who is Daryl's hero and all time favorite. Watching him sing with his hero is reall neat and getting to hear his hero cover his own song.

 
I was never a Hall & Oates fan, but Daryl's House gave me a huge appreciation of their musicianship. Great show.
 
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When I read this line of complaining, it starts to feel like an old man complaining about his cell phone. How many years are acceptable for adapting to this change?

We know and expect the categories now.

We know somebody British will make it in who pissed off the previous American-centric ownership. We know there will be a female pop star represented. That's how you convince your wife or girlfriend to tour the HOF with you. Of course there will be a rap act. In new music, I don't even see much of a line between rap and rock anymore.

Here's my prediction. Last year six made it in as performers, three made it in as "influencers".

Category-less Performers - Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Lionel Ritchie (I am counting his work with The Commodores in with his solo work, and the Commodores shit is great.)

Chick Category/British Makeups - Eurythmics, Kate Bush

Rap - Eminem

Early influencers: DEVO, MC5, Tribe Called Quest.

I think DEVO should have been in a long time ago, so if they don't make it as performers, they get the Kraftwerk side-door entry.
Old people are right sometimes too.
 
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I was never a Hall & Oates fan, but Daryl's House gave me a huge appreciation of their musicianship. Great show.

Hall made a (deliberately) far less commercial album in the 70's with Robert Fripp, along with contributions from Phil Collins on drums, Tony Levin on bass, and some other prog-ish guys, called Sacred Songs. Some really different stuff. Still pop-ish, but less commercial. Here's one cut that appeared on both of their solo albums:

 
When I read this line of complaining, it starts to feel like an old man complaining about his cell phone. How many years are acceptable for adapting to this change?

We know and expect the categories now.

We know somebody British will make it in who pissed off the previous American-centric ownership. We know there will be a female pop star represented. That's how you convince your wife or girlfriend to tour the HOF with you. Of course there will be a rap act. In new music, I don't even see much of a line between rap and rock anymore.

Here's my prediction. Last year six made it in as performers, three made it in as "influencers".

Category-less Performers - Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Lionel Ritchie (I am counting his work with The Commodores in with his solo work, and the Commodores shit is great.)

Chick Category/British Makeups - Eurythmics, Kate Bush

Rap - Eminem

Early influencers: DEVO, MC5, Tribe Called Quest.

I think DEVO should have been in a long time ago, so if they don't make it as performers, they get the Kraftwerk side-door entry.

Not picking on you here Keys because I know that you know your shit musically. What bothers me is that someone lesser-known (in the U.S., anyway) like Kate Bush may indeed get in as a Chick category/British makeup. The truth is that she was innovative/original as hell, and the only answer to "who influenced Kate Bush's music" is really "nobody". She got a lot of her lyrical inspiration from novels, but her music/sound were pretty unique to her at the time. But she wasn't as popular in the U.S., and she very much did not kiss the ass of any musical establishment so she doesn't really have the connections to be appreciated by a lot of musical poobahs.

Reminds me -- do you think it might be a good idea if currently enshrined acts were made some part of the voting process? Probably too hard to execute given that we're often talking groups instead of individuals, but it still would be nice to know who impresses them.
 
When will they start electing hammer dulcimer players? There are some great ones out there.

What about Pavarotti and the other greats?

There are some tremendous Gregorian monk chanters out there.

Where are we drawing the line, dammit.
 
When will they start electing hammer dulcimer players? There are some great ones out there.

What about Pavarotti and the other greats?

Where are we drawing the line, dammit.
Are you talking about Cleveland's own Matthew Abelson? I often chatted with him at the old Arcade a couple of decades ago. Nice fellow.
 
Are you talking about Cleveland's own Matthew Abelson? I often chatted with him at the old Arcade a couple of decades ago. Nice fellow.
You’re goddamn right, I am. He performed at my middle school in 1994 and his rendition of Simple Gifts on the dulcimer was so beautiful it brought my teacher into labor on the spot.

When she returned to class she told us that she was going to name her son after her husband and decided to name him Matthew instead. She said she was certain of it the moment the contractions began.

So when does he go in?
 
Wait, he's Not??
Neither is Pavarotti.

But upthread I’m getting shit on for complaining about their genre standards.

Hell, genre-benders Tortoise known for their hit single Benway aren’t in. And I’m certain that’s what you’re named for.

If we’re letting rappers and country stars in, where does it stop?
 
Neither is Pavarotti.

But upthread I’m getting shit on for complaining about their genre standards.

Hell, genre-benders Tortoise known for their hit single Benway aren’t in. And I’m certain that’s what you’re named for.

If we’re letting rappers and country stars in, where does it stop?
I have to admit my ignorance of "Tortoise", though I'd wager their muse was the despicable recurring William S. Burroughs character.

And I hope to live long enough to see "The Residents" elected.
 
I have to admit my ignorance of "Tortoise", though I'd wager their muse was the despicable recurring William S. Burroughs character.

And I hope to live long enough to see "The Residents" elected.
Was just goofin. Nobody knows Tortoise. Good song though.
 
Was just goofin. Nobody knows Tortoise. Good song though.
Well whaddya know, I think I'll just plug some Tortoise into my post-rock Pandora station.
Turns out they're right in my wheelhouse!
 

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