Should the NFL Play at all in 2020? RBF

[Triplethreat]

This discussion has been respectful and courteous.

It does not need to be driven off course by someone who refuses to accept any of the facts with regards what makes this statement false.

Thanks for the quote from the random Harvard professor? That doesn’t prove diddly shit.



The statistics very, very clearly do not back up your completely baseless claims. But keep pushing your false narratives.

 

[Los216]

Thanks for the quote from the random Harvard professor? That doesn’t prove diddly shit.



The statistics very, very clearly do not back up your completely baseless claims. But keep pushing your false narratives.

Can you die from COVID-19?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There are preventable measures taken by every player in the league to prevent players from dying from heat strokes or heart problems. Players are screened around the clock for medical issues. NFL teams go above and beyond to prevent players from dying due to the heat.

So what are the preventable measures from COVID-19??????

Wearing a mask
Social distancing
Washing your hands and staying clean

So if we know the preventable measures from contacting COVID-19 just like we know the preventable measures from dying of a heat stroke (hydrating, staying cool, don't over exhaust yourself in high temperatures) and heart problems (periodic medical screenings, blood work, physical exams) what happens after a player dies??

You do see that I'm showing you how a football player dying from COVID-19 can be almost 100% preventable by not playing right? So are we suppose to just accept a player dying from COVID-19 just because they are playing? It's obvious that without a vaccine that no player will be completely safe from COVID-19. So how can we sit here in August before a single snap has been taken and talk like we know what to do in the event that a player dies when we all know that the right thing to do is for them to not play until it is safe?

I don't disagree with any of that.

It does not have to be this way. There cannot be an argument for playing football and an argument for being safe. If you play football during this pandemic without a vaccine available then there is no safety. It's actually that simple.

I agree with that too. However....

There is never 100% complete safety in life. Or in football. To the extent we demand a "zero defects/zero loss of life" mentality, many of us would be fundamentally altering how we live. Many people would choose a relatively small risk of something bad happening and enjoying life to the fullest over living in a bubble. I mean...you and I were both jarheads. We certainly didn't have a guarantee of good health and safety before doing that, did we? But we did it anyway despite the risk because there was something else that mattered more than that risk.

For a young guy for whom this may be the last year running out under the lights in front of 80,000, 8,000, or ever 800 fans, I can't tell him he's wrong to value that over the relatively small risk presented by Covid. You never get back a year of your life. Once they're gone, they're gone for good. Maybe you'll miss meeting the perfect girl, or having a perfect night with your friends, or whatever.

Anyway, I'm not trying to make a decision for anyone else. But I do respect the choice of those who choose to accept the risk and play just because they want to fucking play.

And I think your opinion does matter. It's all of our opinions that need to be discussed so that we can find the best way to navigate through life during these times. Trying to find ways to make football, a game that is notoriously dangerous, safe during a pandemic is not trying at all. It's pointless. It's not intelligent. It's dangerous. It's deadly.

It's potentially deadly. Huge difference.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Thanks for the quote from the random Harvard professor? That doesn’t prove diddly shit.



The statistics very, very clearly do not back up your completely baseless claims. But keep pushing your false narratives.

You understand there are more risks from COVID than just dying, right?

Like this is common knowledge. We even have a member of this message board that is experiencing issues months after he "recovered" from the disease itself.

 

[Triplethreat]

Can you die from COVID-19?

I’m 27 and if I got COVID I am fully confident I wouldn’t die.... I think I have a .05% higher chance of dying from COVID than the seasonal flu. So no, I’m not worried about it and neither should *healthy* nfl players.

 

[Randolphkeys]

And I think your opinion does matter. It's all of our opinions that need to be discussed so that we can find the best way to navigate through life during these times. Trying to find ways to make football, a game that is notoriously dangerous, safe during a pandemic is not trying at all. It's pointless. It's not intelligent. It's dangerous. It's deadly

One reason why I agree that it's okay to have an opinion is that decisions made by the NFL and college football are influential. I'll go ahead and say that I am amazed Ohio is progressing forward with fall contact sports at the high school level. California, along with the majority of densely populated states, have opted to delay at least until January. Many states have already cancelled athletics until 2021.

Just recently I got out of the city and had a mini vacation in the less populated central coast of Cali. After living in densely populated S.F. where Covid-19 feels very present, and the stats back it up, I went through the culture shock of seeing areas where groups of families feel safe enough to hang out together. So I get it that in more rural areas, this doesn't feel dangerous... but urban areas will be playing the rural areas in football. Once a few Covid cases hit the more rural areas due to contact sports, opinions are going to change.

I’m 27 and if I got COVID I am fully confident I wouldn’t die.... I think I have a .05% higher chance of dying from COVID than the seasonal flu. So no, I’m not worried about it and neither should *healthy* nfl players.

A conversation like the one we are having must happen, and if trolling begins I will be ending the troll's ability to post, not the conversation. Think very carefully when you post inaccuracies and non-truths about research.

 

[Triplethreat]

You understand there are more risks from COVID than just dying, right?

Like this is common knowledge. We even have a member of this message board that is experiencing issues months after he "recovered" from the disease itself.

What are these *risks* you are bringing up? Please explain in more detail if you want to go ahead and try this route.

In the end, it’s a virus and once the virus has been removed from the body the symptoms will recover over time.

 

[Randolphkeys]

What are these *risks* you are bringing up? Please explain in more detail if you want to go ahead and try this route.

In the end, it’s a virus and once the virus has been removed from the body the symptoms will recover over time.

There is research posted earlier that runs counter to your statement. Your assessment of how viruses work is tremendously inept. You have a history of trolling, nobody caused that reputation but you.

Again, you may need to rethink your approach or you may not be here on RCF for a while.

 

[Triplethreat]

htt

So I have a .09% higher chance of death?

Such a menial and insignificant amount. Don’t start calling me a troll and threatening a ban when the data is blatantly available to everyone and it doesn’t push your own agenda. @Randolphkeys

The fact is whoever’s claims above about DEATH to NFL players was wrong. They are at a severely low risk of death from this disease. The data, all the stats, all prove this to be true. So anyone who is going out and stating otherwise is either making shit up out of thin air with absolutely zero statistical evidence to back themselves up or they’re the troll.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

One reason why I agree that it's okay to have an opinion is that decisions made by the NFL and college football are influential. I'll go ahead and say that I am amazed Ohio is progressing forward with fall contact sports at the high school level. California, along with the majority of densely populated states, have opted to delay at least until January. Many states have already cancelled athletics until 2021.

Just recently I got out of the city and had a mini vacation in the less populated central coast of Cali. After living in densely populated S.F. where Covid-19 feels very present, and the stats back it up, I went through the culture shock of seeing areas where groups of families feel safe enough to hang out together. So I get it that in more rural areas, this doesn't feel dangerous... but urban areas will be playing the rural areas in football. Once a few Covid cases hit the more rural areas due to contact sports, opinions are going to change.



A conversation like the one we are having must happen, and if trolling begins I will be ending the troll's ability to post, not the conversation. Think very carefully when you post inaccuracies and non-truths about research.

I'll just say that there has been quite a bit written about the downsides/risks for both families and school-age children that would come from cancelling in person school for kids. And if kids are going to be attending school for classes, being in those crowded halls and lunchrooms, and all the social activity that inevitably will come etc., is it really that much extra risk to be playing sports, which may be a very important part of some kids' lives, development, and mental health?

I don't think that is so easily answered simply by pointing out that Covid is dangerous.

Personally, I'm shocked that so many people seem willing to live in a cocoon indefinitely.

 

[Huber.]

What are these *risks* you are bringing up? Please explain in more detail if you want to go ahead and try this route.

In the end, it’s a virus and once the virus has been removed from the body the symptoms will recover over time.

Do you have a source to this? Because that would be good news that I haven't heard.

 

[Randolphkeys]

htt

So I have a .09% higher chance of death?

Such a menial and insignificant amount. Don’t start calling me a troll and threatening a ban when the data is blatantly available to everyone and it doesn’t push your own agenda. @Randolphkeys

The fact is whoever’s claims above about DEATH to NFL players was wrong. They are at a severely low risk of death from this disease. The data, all the stats, all prove this to be true. So anyone who is going out and stating otherwise is either making shit up out of thin air with absolutely zero statistical evidence to back themselves up or they’re the troll.

Go back. Read. There is more to the disease than death totals. What "agenda" are we talking about? Educating people about new discoveries about Covid doesn't sound like an agenda.

 

[Triplethreat]

Go back. Read. There is more to the disease than death totals. What "agenda" are we talking about? Educating people about new discoveries about Covid doesn't sound like an agenda.

The whole conversation started from someone asking “what do we do if a player dies from it”

On the topic of long term effects though simply put, 5 months of this disease is simple no where near long enough to study long term effects of just about anything.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I'll just say that there has been quite a bit written about the downsides/risks for both families and school-age children that would come from cancelling in person classes for kids. And if kids are going to be attending school for classes, being in those crowded halls and lunchrooms, etc., is it really that much extra risk to be playing sports, that may be a very important part of some kids' lives?

At the most generous, I would say areas that are more rural and spead out have a smaller chance of the virus initially getting into a school. If you look at the numbers coming out of the deep south right now, you will see a trend. They are the fastest rising areas for more infections because more densely populated areas have:

A.
Been aggressively following procedures since March which lessen the spread, such as wearing masks and limiting social interactions.

And B:
Have more likely witnessed the fallout. My school where I teach was shut down for a week because of a Nurovirus outbreak which infected 20% of the school population in just three days. Nuro is not deadly, but it showed me exactly how quickly a virus as contagious as Covid can spread when precautions are not taken.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

At the most generous, I would say areas that are more rural and spears out have a smaller chance of the virus initially getting into a school. If you look at the numbers coming out of the deep south right now, you will see a trend. They are the fastest rising areas for more infections because more densely populated areas have:

A.
Been aggressively following procedures since March which lessen the spread, such as wearing masks and limiting social interactions.

And B:
Have more likely witnessed the fallout. My school where I teach was shut down for a week because of a Nurovirus outbreak which infected 20% of the school population in just three days. Nuro is not deadly, but it showed me exactly how quickly a virus as contagious as Covid can spread when precautions are not taken.

I don't think there is any realistic chance at keeping Covid out of schools over the course of a year, in either rural or urban environment.