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Jose Abreu is hitting .315 and leads the AL with 40 RBI's for the surging Chicago White Sox. They're in first place and leading the league in runs. Trout is a great defensive player and has almost identical numbers as Abreu but the Angels are buried in 4th place with no chance at the playoffs and MVP's usually don't come from teams that are well below .500.

I think there should be some consideration for Tim Anderson who is hitting .351/.985 while playing shortstop for the White Sox. He's hitting .513/1.748 against left-handed pitching!

The Indians are 9-0 with Bieber pitching and he should get 3-4 more starts depending on whether they start him in the season finale against the Pirates or hold him back for the first game of the playoffs. If they end up going 12-0 in his starts that would certainly put him in the conversation especially if he leads the league in wins, K's, and ERA.
 
BimboColesHair said:
Bieber is the front runner for MVP right now, not really close too.
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He will get votes, but not all the voters will vote for a pitcher for MVP from what i have heard. I know you know way more than I do about that stuff, but I havent seen a pitcher in a long time get more than 25% in voting. Baseball reference as Kluber having the most WAR in baseball, in 2014, but got 11% of the votes. I cannot deny Bieber should be at the top for MVP, but with the people voting not always liking to vote for pitchers, you are going to see at the current moment, T. Hernandez, Trout, Abreu, Cruz and Bieber going 1-5 in some type of order.
 
I agree with the every day players having the edge in MVP voting. After all they have a chance to contribute every day. In the field and at bat. Sure Bieber is valuable, but you have to add in Civale, Plesac Triston (Clev when he was here)....if the rest of the rotation were shabby then the Cleveland Indians would pretty well suck. Pitching once every 5 days has it's limitations.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
Jose Abreu is hitting .315 and leads the AL with 40 RBI's for the surging Chicago White Sox. They're in first place and leading the league in runs. Trout is a great defensive player and has almost identical numbers as Abreu but the Angels are buried in 4th place with no chance at the playoffs and MVP's usually don't come from teams that are well below .500.

I think there should be some consideration for Tim Anderson who is hitting .351/.985 while playing shortstop for the White Sox. He's hitting .513/1.748 against left-handed pitching!

The Indians are 9-0 with Bieber pitching and he should get 3-4 more starts depending on whether they start him in the season finale against the Pirates or hold him back for the first game of the playoffs. If they end up going 12-0 in his starts that would certainly put him in the conversation especially if he leads the league in wins, K's, and ERA.
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Anderson likely will win the batting crown but honestly he doesn't have the power numbers that the other guys have, which puts him behind some others in overall production. Like OPS says Trout and Cruz (still over 1.000) while Anderson is at .985. OPS+ plus favors Trout at 185 over Anderson at 165. I mean i would have no issues with people having Anderson winning but production numbers favor the power hitter over the contact hitter at the end of the day.
 
sportscoach said:
Anderson likely will win the batting crown but honestly he doesn't have the power numbers that the other guys have, which puts him behind some others in overall production. Like OPS says Trout and Cruz (still over 1.000) while Anderson is at .985. OPS+ plus favors Trout at 185 over Anderson at 165. I mean i would have no issues with people having Anderson winning but production numbers favor the power hitter over the contact hitter at the end of the day.
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You could very well be right but factoring in that Cruz is a DH and doesn't play in the field at all, Trout plays for a 4th place team in a 5-team division, and Anderson plays a key defensive position every day for a first place team that wasn't supposed to be in contention, I would give Anderson the edge. Now Abreu is another story because his OPS is higher and he leads the league in RBI's while playing first base. Fangraphs gives Anderson the advantage over Abreu in WAR, 1.9 to 1.6, mainly due to Abreu being a defensive liability.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
You could very well be right but factoring in that Cruz is a DH and doesn't play in the field at all, Trout plays for a 4th place team in a 5-team division, and Anderson plays a key defensive position every day for a first place team that wasn't supposed to be in contention, I would give Anderson the edge. Now Abreu is another story because his OPS is higher and he leads the league in RBI's while playing first base. Fangraphs gives Anderson the advantage over Abreu in WAR, 1.9 to 1.6, mainly due to Abreu being a defensive liability.
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MVP voters technically should vote for the person who has the best numbers and helps their team the most. Its not very often you see the person who is the leadoff guy get more MVP votes than the 3/4 hitter in that lineup. Seems like in the modern Era they end up siding with the power numbers over the batting average. Not always the best WAR wins the MVP race.
 
I’d agree with position players having a leg up if Bieber wasn’t lapping the field in a ton of stats, posting historic numbers, and in line to win a pitching Triple Crown.

Keep in kind, last time an AL pitcher was a Triple Crown winner he won the MVP himself. And Bieber is shitting on Verlander’s MVP numbers from that season right now.

Almost a full win above replacement to the next closest player (Abreu) in rWAR, soon to be almost a full win above replacement to the next closest player in fWAR (Rendon), in line to have the lowest ERA seen in the AL in over 100 years. Posting the highest ERA+ ever seen, highest K/9 rate ever seen, lowest FIP since Pedro in 99. A lot of categories that are looked at heavily by voters nowadays in the wake of the outcry when Verlander lost the Cy Young in 2016 Bieber is just putting up ridiculous numbers in.

Right now he is in line to have 3 or 4 starts remaining, depending on where they stand and wanting to line him up for the post season. 2 of those are against the Twins and White Sox. He does his normal thing against them, he runs away with it by a wide margin.
 
Is Sandy Alomar Jr eligible for the AL manager of the year? There have been plenty of obstacles for the Indians this season and Sandy has done a great job.
 
Speaking of awards are they going to have an honory All-Star team this year?
 
BimboColesHair said:
I’d agree with position players having a leg up if Bieber wasn’t lapping the field in a ton of stats, posting historic numbers, and in line to win a pitching Triple Crown.

Keep in kind, last time an AL pitcher was a Triple Crown winner he won the MVP himself. And Bieber is shitting on Verlander’s MVP numbers from that season right now.

Almost a full win above replacement to the next closest player (Abreu) in rWAR, soon to be almost a full win above replacement to the next closest player in fWAR (Rendon), in line to have the lowest ERA seen in the AL in over 100 years. Posting the highest ERA+ ever seen, highest K/9 rate ever seen, lowest FIP since Pedro in 99. A lot of categories that are looked at heavily by voters nowadays in the wake of the outcry when Verlander lost the Cy Young in 2016 Bieber is just putting up ridiculous numbers in.

Right now he is in line to have 3 or 4 starts remaining, depending on where they stand and wanting to line him up for the post season. 2 of those are against the Twins and White Sox. He does his normal thing against them, he runs away with it by a wide margin.
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And he still has zero impact in 4 out of 5 games. Hard to be the MVP when you only play in 12 of 60 games.
 
Urban said:
Did you even read his post?
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Every word. And Bieber, as impressively as he's pitched, still has no impact whatsover in 80% of the games. Also, we're talking about nine starts, not a full season of work. Give me a shortstop who plays every day and hits .351 with a .390 OBP.
 
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