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Still relatively small samples, but interesting in any case.
Miller certainly looks more comfortable at the plate…

I noticed this K/BB trend on Reyes the other day, and it makes me very happy.
Could this be a result of the sticky business?
 
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I noticed this K/BB trend on Reyes the other day, and it makes me very happy.
Could this be a result of the sticky business?
He did seem to specifically have trouble laying off the high fastballs. But given that he's #1 out of everyone, I doubt it's just that.
 

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I noticed this K/BB trend on Reyes the other day, and it makes me very happy.
Could this be a result of the sticky business?

To me the plate discipline is a mental approach not really a physical one hence why it's a discipline. He has to keep himself under control...
 
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I noticed this K/BB trend on Reyes the other day, and it makes me very happy.
Could this be a result of the sticky business?
Interesting question and with obvious validity.

Like @sportscoach says, plate discipline is a mental approach, but that is exactly why sticky stuff works. You get the "impression" (mental) the ball will be a strike (high FB) because of all the hundreds or thousands you have seen that end up as a strike. But this pitch ends up as a ball out of the zone, because it is an outlier from a spin perspective and just doesn't dip into the zone like the rest you have seen.

Impossible to rewire reactions in an instantaneous decision making process that hitting a 90+ mph MLB FB is.
 

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I've been wondering - what does the organization do to develop plate discipline in minor league players?

I get someone like Oscar Gonzalez has never had good plate discipline and still doesn't have it, but do we have a method of specifically focusing on that which has yielded success?

Apparently Arias went through some kind of plate discipline boot camp while he was still with the Padres and he started this year drawing a lot of walks. Now it looks like he has reverted back to the Arias of old. From July onward he's walking 5.4% of the time. That's bad. Prior to that he was walking 12.4% of the time, which was especially high at the beginning.
 

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I've been wondering - what does the organization do to develop plate discipline in minor league players?

I get someone like Oscar Gonzalez has never had good plate discipline and still doesn't have it, but do we have a method of specifically focusing on that which has yielded success?

Apparently Arias went through some kind of plate discipline boot camp while he was still with the Padres and he started this year drawing a lot of walks. Now it looks like he has reverted back to the Arias of old. From July onward he's walking 5.4% of the time. That's bad. Prior to that he was walking 12.4% of the time, which was especially high at the beginning.
The old school method is almost always followed early in spring training.. it's called or known as tracking. This is an unnatural course of action for hitters as their psyche is all about timing and putting the barrel of the bat on the ball.. In tracking.. they can only watch the pitch.. and not swing.. and continue to not swing.. pitch after pitch after pitch.. If the pitch is in the zone.. the batter calls in.. then where in.. AND.. what pitch.. typical.. you'll see/hear "..in-fastball.." it's only after the batters are sooo bored with tracking (and sometimes when they're not).. their instincts kick in and they'll swing.. It's a dreary drill.. but it is highly effective at seeing the pitch.. recognizing the pitch.. and recognizing where the pitch is going..

btw.. a collateral benefit of the tracking drill.. fewer and fewer oblique strains and tears.. no one knows why..
 

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I've been wondering - what does the organization do to develop plate discipline in minor league players?

I get someone like Oscar Gonzalez has never had good plate discipline and still doesn't have it, but do we have a method of specifically focusing on that which has yielded success?

Apparently Arias went through some kind of plate discipline boot camp while he was still with the Padres and he started this year drawing a lot of walks. Now it looks like he has reverted back to the Arias of old. From July onward he's walking 5.4% of the time. That's bad. Prior to that he was walking 12.4% of the time, which was especially high at the beginning.
I have been wondering that too.

Not a prospect but if whatever Alex Call did can be taught/used.. get that going!
 

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The most important thing this org has done in the area of hitting development is to bring in a lot of kids that already make contact and have a sense of the strike zone.
 

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I have been wondering that too.

Not a prospect but if whatever Alex Call did can be taught/used.. get that going!
Speaking of Call, I think he should have already been called up. There will never be a better time to see if he can cut the mustard.
 

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Speaking of Call, I think he should have already been called up. There will never be a better time to see if he can cut the mustard.
Huh? Call is already 26 years old. He hit .310 at Akron to start the season and earned a promotion to Columbus where in a decent sample of 204 at-bats he's hitting .235/.749. This guy is not a prospect.

Maybe you were thinking of Steven Kwan, who hit .337/.950 at Akron and in 38 at-bats in Columbus is hitting .421/1.146. Kwan is 24 and is slugging .658 in Columbus to Call's .412.
 

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Huh? Call is already 26 years old. He hit .310 at Akron to start the season and earned a promotion to Columbus where in a decent sample of 204 at-bats he's hitting .235/.749. This guy is not a prospect.

Maybe you were thinking of Steven Kwan, who hit .337/.950 at Akron and in 38 at-bats in Columbus is hitting .421/1.146. Kwan is 24 and is slugging .658 in Columbus to Call's .412.
I was thinking Call was in Columbus from the get go. Guess I should have looked a little closer, but Call looked good in ST as well. He's also managed to get on base at a good clip in Akron and Columbus. I don't view him as a savior by any means. It's more like throwing shit against the wall.

I was not thinking of Kwan because his performance is a bit of a surprise. He has certainly caught my eye and looking at his performance since being drafted suggests that this year's performance isn't a total anomaly. I'm hoping he is for real. Hell, I'm hoping somebody in the system is for real.....anybody.
 

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The most important thing this org has done in the area of hitting development is to bring in a lot of kids that already make contact and have a sense of the strike zone.
Plate discipline is a skill and it can be developed. I'm not saying that's what is happening by any means. Just that there is likely more than one way to skin that cat. Truth be told it's probably a better effort to recognize young hitters and a better development program.
 

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I was thinking Call was in Columbus from the get go. Guess I should have looked a little closer, but Call looked good in ST as well. He's also managed to get on base at a good clip in Akron and Columbus. I don't view him as a savior by any means. It's more like throwing shit against the wall.

I was not thinking of Kwan because his performance is a bit of a surprise. He has certainly caught my eye and looking at his performance since being drafted suggests that this year's performance isn't a total anomaly. I'm hoping he is for real. Hell, I'm hoping somebody in the system is for real.....anybody.

Call to me is that journeymen OF, maybe kind of like a Robbie Grossman at best case scenario...

Kwan, I am not sure about, since he is undersized, but he has shown he can field and shown he can make good contact with the ball... He is one of those guys, who could be an OF version of Altuve with less power.... I don't know who else to compare him too off the top of my head...
 

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Call to me is that journeymen OF, maybe kind of like a Robbie Grossman at best case scenario...

Kwan, I am not sure about, since he is undersized, but he has shown he can field and shown he can make good contact with the ball... He is one of those guys, who could be an OF version of Altuve with less power.... I don't know who else to compare him too off the top of my head...
Agree with everything you said here Coach. Grossman is a good comp for Call as well.
 
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