The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

[Cassity14]

If Mobley is going to be a star, not just a one-dimensional defensive savant, then we don’t need to get rid of Allen because Mobley becomes the floor spacing big. If we are ready to downgrade Mobley to Gobert territory, then Allen has to go.

Mobley can be an offensive star without being a 3 point marksman. He’s already a better offensive player than Gobert has ever been.

Mobley looks like he will likely be a paint finisher and hub. He needs room to be that.

I want to see him whipping the ball out to open shooters as he has the paint to himself rather than trying to force short lobs to Allen through 2 interior defenders.

 

[Cassity14]

Why would Indy do this though? I would do JA for Turner straight up faster than a rebound goes through JA's hands.

Because Allen is younger and cheaper and already locked up contract wise was my thinking.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Just shows you how idiotic most GMs are. We have posters on here with better track records of evaluating college talent.

Okoro over Halliburton. Great decision there!

Sexton over SGA.

 

[Jscc]

Because Allen is younger and cheaper and already locked up contract wise was my thinking.

Turner and Mobley would be so fun. On offense, Mobley could operate around the basket/post/elbow and Turner could space/spot-up from 3.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Because Allen is younger and cheaper and already locked up contract wise was my thinking.

That's actually not a bad thought.

 

[HammerGold]

Because our depth sucks. We only have two legit big men on the roster. Mobley and him.

Then you can't trade Allen for a wing. They have no other assets so no way to acquire another big

 

[KilgoreTrout]

There’s no shot I’m moving Garland, Mitchell, or Mobley.

However, I’m looking for a coach who can maximize those 3 offensively. I believe many can.

JB needs to go. I think it’s wishful thinking but I’m going to wish for it.

If Allen has any legitimate value, I’d explore moving him. I think Mobley’s future is as a 5 and big bruisers are some of the cheapest commodities in the league. Allen is still a top 10-15 player at his position, but I believe his position is also Mobley’s.

I don’t give a flying fuck about the Cavs defensive rating as a team when they played at a snail’s pace. I want them to run and gun on teams while playing enough defense to build leads over the course of a high number of raw possessions. I think they have a lot of personnel to play that style well, but Allen sticks out poorly in that regard.

I think one of Garland and Mitchell has to go. I’ve never been much of a Garland fan, so preferably him.

 

[Cassity14]

I think DFS is another wing player whose value is at an all time low right now.

Bridges and Johnson are clearly the starters for Brooklyn going forward. I think they’ll prioritize bringing back Yuta as well.

Cavs need to be blowing up their phone for Royce and Finney-Smith. Both of those guys help contribute from day 1 next year.

Cavs also need a game plan shift. Even if they keep Allen, their talent plays well in an up-tempo game plan. Their bigs are faster than most teams’ bigs and their guards are dynamic going downhill.

An increased number of possessions at that pace will lead to higher scoring games, but it would also let their scorers get more shots. Evan Mobley can defend in a quicker game. So can Allen. Okoro is made for it.

Let these kids run man.

 

[Alec]

Then you can't trade Allen for a wing. They have no other assets so no way to acquire another big

You take the wing over Allen, and live with the drop off from Allen to random 7 foot guy, who is hopefully better than the bad Lopez twin.

 

[Rich]

Then you can't trade Allen for a wing. They have no other assets so no way to acquire another big

You just need to sign a servicable, eat some minutes type of big man if they go that route. They have the MLE.

You don't need a 35 minute a night C on this team. You need a 20 minute guy.

 

[kookoo]

If Mobley is going to be a star, not just a one-dimensional defensive savant, then we don’t need to get rid of Allen because Mobley becomes the floor spacing big. If we are ready to downgrade Mobley to Gobert territory, then Allen has to go.

I think it's time to give up on Allen because I'd rather spend 5m less on a guy like Mitchell Robinson per season and also hope Mobley becomes a stretch 5 eventually. I'd rather bring in a shooting 4 but still emphasize Mobley getting a 3 ball. Dude got worse and worse at shooting this season. Actually, outside of a few games, our team hasn't shot well since going like 8-2. Not just from 3 but our freethrows as well. They all have the ability to shoot freethrows but this team regressed massively in the latter half of the season. That's on poor fundamentals, coaching and I don't think any player on the squad feels any sort of heat to be the best version of themselves. Yes, they should be self motivated, but most of them are youths....

 

[MrDonut]

Because Allen is younger and cheaper and already locked up contract wise was my thinking.

Turner has been on the trade block year after year and he never actually gets moved. Add that to Indy's reluctance to trade in division and I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Cassity14]

Does Washington give you Kispert and Gafford for Allen?

Allen and Kristaps make some sense together.

Is that too big of a talent drop off for the Cavs?

 

[Dr No]

Giannis can't shoot. You don't see the Bucks saying "you know what, since Giannis can't shoot, we're gonna just say he's Rudy Gobert and get rid of our other bigs!"

Instead, they just got a Center who can shoot so Giannis can do what he does best.

Imagine if they took this approach to that kids development.


Mobley clearly has more raw talent than Allen, and even if he can never shoot a jump shot, has way more offensive skills, today, than Allen ever will.

His development should be prioritized.


FWIW Allen grabbed 37 rebounds this series to Mobley's 50, despite the fact that Allen was playing almost exclusively at the rim guarding Robinson while Mobley was on Randle at the 3 point line.

Well, Giannis can absolutely dominate a basketball game on offense in ways we’ve yet to see from Mobley, so there’s that. But ultimately, I think we are saying similar things. If both Allen and Mobley stay this offensively limited it won’t work. I mentioned Mobley as the one to develop because it’s obvious he has more potential than Allen.

 

[Ethan]

We went this whole year with 2 non-shooters in the starting lineup. Plus Mobley being a limited shooter.
That's 3 of your starting 5 who cant shoot. Kinda crazy man. Somehow we still reached 4th in the East.

Its no wonder JBB slowed the game down as much as possible...honestly.
Imagine how much better we would be if we could trade Allen for a Spacer big.
Mobley and Okoro will hopefully develop to shoot better and We get a backup SF that can actually shoot.

I have no faith in JBB. Feels like everyone got worse and more afraid to shoot.
Replace JBB with a better offensive minded coach and it could really unlock this team.