The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

[Cassity14]

The 10th pick in this draft isn’t worth trading Allen for.

We don’t really have time to subtract Allen and then replace him with someone else who is two to three years away.

Mitchell, Garland and Mobley are all on a win now timeline. If Allen is being moved, it needs to be for someone who is going to immediately impact elsewhere (wing).

The post you’re quoting specifically says to re route the pick. I think they mean to use Allen to acquire a lottery pick to then flip to a team that doesn’t have use for Allen but has a player we’d covet.

For example, Toronto isn’t going to be interested in Allen now, but maybe pick #10 gets the conversation for OG going.

 

[I'mWithDan]

That's why I said we'd reroute the pick in a 3 team deal. Obviously easier said than done, but I don't think we're going to get a talented playoff ready wing in exchange for a rim running center in a straight up deal. The 10th pick is probably the better than what we could realistically hope to get back. We got Allen for a late 1st to begin with.

I just think when you look at, to me, how bad this draft is.......the 10th pick isn't going to get you something of consequence at the 3. Just someone's opinion that is worth nothing.....but after watching this series, I'm more willing to trade Allen for two quarters. If I could trade JA and get back an above average big and an above average wing, I would. I think quality depth is what we need more than anything.......and then we roll the dice on both Garland and Mobley continuing to improve.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Let’s call Mobley what he is. Soft and disappointing on offense. Needs to toughen up

 

[Futuredome]

Hard to call Mobley disappointing on offense considering how raw he is.

 

[I'mWithDan]

The post you’re quoting specifically says to re route the pick. I think they mean to use Allen to acquire a lottery pick to then flip to a team that doesn’t have use for Allen but has a player we’d covet.

For example, Toronto isn’t going to be interested in Allen now, but maybe pick #10 gets the conversation for OG going.

#10 isn't even close to enough for OG. Which is my point. I responded to him and I get the sentiment.......but Allen isn't landing us someone like OG IMO. Our route to improving, in a JA trade, is more realistically a depth move.....where we trade him for two role players, to a young team that has a glut of depth but not a quality starting big.

 

[Cassity14]

#10 isn't even close to enough for OG. Which is my point. I responded to him and I get the sentiment.......but Allen isn't landing us someone like OG IMO. Our route to improving, in a JA trade, is more realistically a depth move.....where we trade him for two role players, to a young team that has a glut of depth but not a quality starting big.

I just threw out an example.

That said, I’d consider trading Allen for 2-3 quality rotation pieces, even if they aren’t starters. Age, position, and contract would obviously have to be considered.

 

[MirORich]

I just threw out an example.

That said, I’d consider trading Allen for 2-3 quality rotation pieces, even if they aren’t starters. Age, position, and contract would obviously have to be considered.

He is not going to get 2-3 quality rotation pieces. Even before this series he wasn’t.

1-2 maybe, ti the right team.

More than likely, you’re looking at one quality but nothing special wing and either a first in this years draft in the 18-25 range or rehab player.

Be prepared to get someone or a package that feels like a downgrade from the perception we may have had of him,

However, sometimes perceived talent downgrades can still lead to a better fitting, better depth having rotation.

 

[MrDonut]

#10 isn't even close to enough for OG. Which is my point. I responded to him and I get the sentiment.......but Allen isn't landing us someone like OG IMO. Our route to improving, in a JA trade, is more realistically a depth move.....where we trade him for two role players, to a young team that has a glut of depth but not a quality starting big.

Well the point is that trading Allen for the 10th pick is something you do if Koby can find a team that covets the 10th pick more than Allen.

I'm just not sure how many teams are clamoring to trade for a 20 million dollar rim running center that just got whooped by Mitchell Robinson in the playoffs. The Mavericks may just be that team, and the 10th pick is the best asset we could get back from them. Maybe Josh Green.

 

[Kiddo]

First move is getting rid of JBB. This grind it out slow defensive approach is not going to challenge for titles. Need a faster paced offense that will unlock DM, DG and EM. Need an enforcer big and some wing shooters.

 

[Alec]

outgoing to Wolves:
Garland
Whoever

Incoming to Cavs:
Towns
Conley

Outgoing to Detroit:
Allen
Okoro
Whoever

Incoming to Cavs:
Bogdanovich
Stewart


Conley (sniper)
Mitchell (sniper)
Bogdanovic (sniper)
Towns (sniper)
Mobley

MLE + whoever wasn’t traded.

Yes I’m high. Let Mobley clean up the defense. And rack up 10+ assists to the bombers.

 

[Rich]

People on the "enforcer" big thing are missing the forest for the trees.

You need a floor spacing big.

You know what counters Mitchell Robinson? Not someone else trying to outmuscle him. Just pulling his ass out of the paint to the 3 point line where he can't defend.

I'll keep screaming from the rooftops: Trade Jarrett Allen for a floor spacing C. Even if it's a "lesser" player, the fit will be better.

Wendell Carter Jr. is the guy who makes, by far, the most sense. If you can move ALlen for him and another player to come off the bench and shoot? Yes. Right now.

 

[HammerGold]

outgoing to Wolves:
Garland
Whoever

Incoming to Cavs:
Towns
Conley

Outgoing to Detroit:
Allen
Okoro
Whoever

Incoming to Cavs:
Bogdanovich
Stewart


Conley (sniper)
Mitchell (sniper)
Bogdanovic (sniper)
Towns (sniper)
Mobley

MLE + whoever wasn’t traded.

Yes I’m high. Let Mobley clean up the defense. And rack up 10+ assists to the bombers.

No thanks. Garland and KAT are similar value and an againg washed up Conley isn't good value for Allen.

 

[Kepler]

crazy how Donovan Mitchell & Rudy Gobert lost 4-1 in the playoffs

 

[Alec]

No thanks. Garland and KAT are similar value and an againg washed up Conley isn't good value for Allen.

Washed up Conley shoots 38.2% career from 3 and 38.5% this season. That alone makes him more valuable than any bench guard in the Cavs facility. He also has 4 assists for every 1 turnover.

 

[HammerGold]

People on the "enforcer" big thing are missing the forest for the trees.

You need a floor spacing big.

You know what counters Mitchell Robinson? Not someone else trying to outmuscle him. Just pulling his ass out of the paint to the 3 point line where he can't defend.

I'll keep screaming from the rooftops: Trade Jarrett Allen for a floor spacing C. Even if it's a "lesser" player, the fit will be better.

Wendell Carter Jr. is the guy who makes, by far, the most sense. If you can move ALlen for him and another player to come off the bench and shoot? Yes. Right now.

The Cavs were terrible this season without Allen because he helps cover up for the guards poor defense