The Brian Hoyer thread...

[Ohdang]

I think he did great today. I say give him a chance the rest of the season, and if he leads us to the promised land, keep him, otherwise drop him fast and furious for Manziel.

If our choices are Hoyer or Manziel I think I'd rather stick with Hoyer and trade the pick.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I think he did great today. I say give him a chance the rest of the season, and if he leads us to the promised land, keep him, otherwise drop him fast and furious for Manziel.

Cavs should have drafted Jimmer over Kyrie too, amirate?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Agreed on Manziel, hard to get excited for yet another undersized Texas quarterback with a below average arm. I think we have been down that road before.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The presence of Gordon changed the entire offense. Absent him, we'd have lost yesterday's game, and Hoyer's QB rating of 68 would have been a lot lower. Hoyer had the good luck to be playing against the worst of our first three opponents, and to have Gordon finally on the field for the first time all season. In light of that, comparing his performance against the Vikings to Weeden's against the Fins and Ravens isn't as simple as looking at the result.

I'd personally like to see what Weeden can do in this offense with someone other than Greg Little as his No. 1 receiver.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Big part of Browns pass protecting success yesterday? Brian Hoyer average time to throw 2.4 seconds. Brandon Weeden? 3.1 in first 2 games</p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/statuses/382151229079445504">September 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[The Human Q-Tip]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Big part of Browns pass protecting success yesterday? Brian Hoyer average time to throw 2.4 seconds. Brandon Weeden? 3.1 in first 2 games</p>— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/statuses/382151229079445504">September 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Easier to get throws out quickly when you've actually got someone (Gordon) open. And again, different opponents.

I'm not saying that Weeden would have done as well or better than Hoyer in that game. I'm saying that the presence of Gordon and the quality of the opponent is a big enough difference that anointing Hoyer at this point is wrong.

 

[Lee]

All valid points about having Gordon vs not having Gordon, about this being the worst defense we faced, and about still the average time to get the ball out.

In the end, i saw Hoyer throw the ball away numerous times where Weeden would have held it.

Two things i think is clear, our future QB is not on this roster and we are not nearly as bad as i thought. Oh, we are bad, just not Jacksonville awful.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Easier to get throws out quickly when you've actually got someone (Gordon) open. And again, different opponents.

I'm not saying that Weeden would have done as well or better than Hoyer in that game. I'm saying that the presence of Gordon and the quality of the opponent is a big enough difference that anointing Hoyer at this point is wrong.

That's maybe a fraction of a point better, but it's clear that Hoyer could read the defense better before the ball and knew where to go with the ball.

Whether he made the right decision, that's up for debate. But Hoyer gave no fucks. He knew which guy he wanted to throw to and that was that. He was getting rid of the ball instead of waiting for the pass rush.

 

[AuxiliaryPie]

Hoyers ball placement was so much better than Weedens. There were so many throws to the flat that I was sure Weeden would have sailed right over the head of the receiver

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Okay, I think we'd have lost that game if we didn't have Gordon, and there's a good chance we'd have won one of those first two if we'd have had him. Those games were not blowouts, and having someone other than Greg Little as a primary target may have made a big difference.

I agree that Hoyer does some things better than Weeden, but his noodle arm is a physical limitation that can't be overcome. On the other hand, I think if Weeden has someone he can count on like Gordon, and more than two games in this new system, he has more potential to be a good qb than does Hoyer.

 

[The Voice]

I'd rather get Bridgewater, but we fucked that up big time now.

 

[DJTJ]

I think people forget how deep the QB position is in this draft.

Bridgewater, Boyd, Manziel, Mariotta, Hundley, Fales, McCarron, Carr, Murray. There's a lot of QB's that would have been ranked higher than any of the QB's last year.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I think people forget how deep the QB position is in this draft.

Bridgewater, Boyd, Manziel, Mariotta, Hundley, Fales, McCarron, Carr, Murray. There's a lot of QB's that would have been ranked higher than any of the QB's last year.

While it is comforting to think about depth at the position, I am curious if there will be a franchise quarterback and that the Browns will select the right guy. I don't see an Andrew Luck type player in the college game right now. Bridgewater has some gifts and talents, but his schedule is a creampuff cake walk. I'm not sure he is an NFL ready quarterback who starts from day one. The battle for salty veteran backup QB next year will be an important one.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

People sleep on Mariotta cuz he plays on the West Coast and Oregon hasn't played anyone yet, but that guy is amazingly talented.

 

[AZ_]

People sleep on Mariotta cuz he plays on the West Coast and Oregon hasn't played anyone yet, but that guy is amazingly talented.

People sleep on Mariota because he's still got a ton of development left before he can be considered as a Day 1 NFL starter, he's only a two-year starter in a program which doesn't teach much development in making multiple defensive reads.

His mechanics are still a work in progress. The leap he's taken this year is very very impressive, he just needs time. There isn't a very good track record of two-year starters given their transition to the NFL.