The Future of the Cleveland Indians

[sportscoach]

Cleveland Cuyahogas.

@Lord Mar as well

If you wanna be known as the Crooked River since that is what Cuyahoga means. It is Native American in origin though and I have a hunch we are staying away from that type of origin sadly unless we go Tribe or get an okay from the Iroquois tribe to use Iroquois or Erie (though Erie technically no longer are a tribe).

 

[Otsego Mar]

@Lord Mar as well

If you wanna be known as the Crooked River since that is what Cuyahoga means. It is Native American in origin though and I have a hunch we are staying away from that type of origin sadly unless we go Tribe or get an okay from the Iroquois tribe to use Iroquois or Erie (though Erie technically no longer are a tribe).

I think it was one of those "that's the 'joke'" type things.

Speaking of jokes, show me a straight river and I'll show you a good politician! Har har har

 

[bob2the2nd]

Raleigh has a group too

If im baseball Portland is by far and away my number 1 choice of where a new team goes. That is an enormous area of population, which only has 1 other professional team.

Every number i can find shows that Portland is anywhere from bigger to significantly bigger than Raleigh

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If im baseball Portland is by far and away my number 1 choice of where a new team goes. That is an enormous area of population, which only has 1 other professional team.

Every number i can find shows that Portland is anywhere from bigger to significantly bigger than Raleigh

I think Nashville is even better... you'd be bringing a team to the entire state of Tennessee, whose closest teams right now are Atlanta, Cincinnati, and St. Louis.

Plus there's a large portion of Portland that isn't into the major American sports, plus the ones who do often identify with Seattle's teams.

 

[LL3]

If im baseball Portland is by far and away my number 1 choice of where a new team goes. That is an enormous area of population, which only has 1 other professional team.

Every number i can find shows that Portland is anywhere from bigger to significantly bigger than Raleigh

Portland seems likely to get a team in eventual expansion.

 

[bob2the2nd]

I think Nashville is even better... you'd be bringing a team to the entire state of Tennessee, whose closest teams right now are Atlanta, Cincinnati, and St. Louis.

Plus there's a large portion of Portland that isn't into the major American sports, plus the ones who do often identify with Seattle's teams.

So nashville already has 2 professional sports teams versus 1 in portland, plus is smaller than portland by 500k- 2.4 verus 1.9 million. Those 2 things right there weigh pretty heavily towards Portland. Plus there is only 1 other sports city around Portland and thats seattle 3 hours away. The next closest sports city is sacramento and san fran at 10 hours.

Mean while Nashville has Cinni and atlanta within 4 hours, and st. louis within 5.

While i would have nashville high on the list, i think its pretty messed up that top 25 metropolitan city in the US only has 1 major sports team

 

[prf100]

It would be fun watching the national media idiots butcher the pronunciation.

Anyone remember the movie My Fellow Americans? "Cai-You-Ga Falls"
Otherwise, an absolutely hilarious movie.

 

[Derek]

So nashville already has 2 professional sports teams versus 1, plus is smaller than portland by 500k- 2.4 verus 1.9 million. Those 2 things right there weigh pretty heavily towards Portland. Plus there is only 1 other sports city around Portland and thats seattle 3 hours away. The next closest sports city is sacramento and san fran at 10 hours.

Mean while Nashville has Cinni and atlanta within 4 hours, and st. louis within 5.

To be fair, Cleveland to Cincy is less than 4 hours.

I don't think Atlanta and St. Louis being 4-5 hours away would infringe on a possible fan base for Nashville. The fans you're trying to reach are within two hours of you typically. Those are the ones that can drive in with their families for a game on a weekend without making it an overnight trip.

I think Seattle being less than three hours from Portland is far a more significant issue for building a fan base than the ones presented in Nashville.

 

[FiveThous]

If im baseball Portland is by far and away my number 1 choice of where a new team goes. That is an enormous area of population, which only has 1 other professional team.

Every number i can find shows that Portland is anywhere from bigger to significantly bigger than Raleigh

Raleigh Durham area has close to 1M people, yes it's smaller than Portland but just looking at Raleigh can be deceiving with how close those two cities are. (~30 minutes w/ no traffic from downtown raleigh to downtown Durham)

Edit: only have to compete with the Canes as far as professional franchises go

 

[LL3]

To be fair, Cleveland to Cincy is less than 4 hours.

I don't think Atlanta and St. Louis being 4-5 hours away would infringe on a possible fan base for Nashville. The fans you're trying to reach are within two hours of you typically. Those are the ones that can drive in with their families for a game on a weekend without making it an overnight trip.

I think Seattle being less than three hours from Portland is far a more significant issue for building a fan base than the ones presented in Nashville.

If and when MLB expands, it will likely be 2 teams -- Portland and Nashville seem to be most mentioned, so may be all good there. Montreal also seems to significant mention...

 

[bob2the2nd]

To be fair, Cleveland to Cincy is less than 4 hours.

I don't think Atlanta and St. Louis being 4-5 hours away would infringe on a possible fan base for Nashville. The fans you're trying to reach are within two hours of you typically. Those are the ones that can drive in with their families for a game on a weekend without making it an overnight trip.

I think Seattle being less than three hours from Portland is far a more significant issue for building a fan base than the ones presented in Nashville.

are... you okay?

you say that you typically look to fans within 2 hours.... Okay fine. Then no cities here interfere. I think this is a great argument

but then you argue 3 hours (Seattle to portland on a good day), is detrimental to building a fan base. But 4 hours nashville to Atlanta is not.

all ignoring the fact that the Portland area, no matter how you compare it, is SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER than nashville and has LESS professional sports teams.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Raleigh Durham area has close to 1M people, yes it's smaller than Portland but just looking at Raleigh can be deceiving with how close those two cities are. (~30 minutes w/ no traffic from downtown raleigh to downtown Durham)

Edit: only have to compete with the Canes as far as professional franchises go

I am not looking at general downtown area population, im looking at the Metropolitan statistical area. Portland is 2.4, Raleigh (which includes durham) is 2.0 million

I think Raleigh is a better choice than nashville.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Portland seems likely to get a team in eventual expansion.

Oh i agree, i think they are number 1 on the list, and everyone is fighting for the 2nd slot. But at this point its just a waiting game for baseball

 

[Derek]

are... you okay?

you say that you typically look to fans within 2 hours.... Okay fine. Then no cities here interfere. I think this is a great argument

but then you argue 3 hours (Seattle to portland on a good day), is just fine. But 4 hours nashville to Atlanta is way too long?

all ignoring the fact that the Portland area, no matter how you compare it, is SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER than nashville and has LESS professional sports teams.

No need to be a tremendous asshole just because I disagree with you. I think my stance is pretty rational. Neither of us actually know for sure which barriers are more significant. They're both obviously good options, which is why they are brought up so often.

Google maps says 2:45 right now Portland to Seattle, so that's what I was going on. I think that hour difference is significant, maybe it's not! Just my opinion. 45 minutes from Portland is within 2 hours to Seattle, so that's my concern there. That's removing a big chunk of fans.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

No need to be a tremendous asshole just because I disagree with you. I think my stance is pretty rational. Neither of us actually know for sure which barriers are more significant. They're both obviously good options, which is why they are brought up so often.

Google maps says 2:45 right now Portland to Seattle, so that's what I was going on. I think that hour difference is significant, maybe it's not! Just my opinion. 45 minutes from Portland is within 2 hours to Seattle, so that's my concern there. That's removing a big chunk of fans.

Time valuation is also very different in areas of the country. I know people in Texas who don't think a four hour drive is that long of a drive.