The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[adam81king]

No doubt our offense is more focused on getting the ball to the TE position in passing situations, but Landry just flat out isn't worth his contract. Paying a slot receiver fifteen million just isn't a smart allocation of resources. I like Landry the person and he's a solid NFL player, but he's paid like a superstar and he's never in his career given anywhere near superstar production.

If we're going to spend that kind of money at the position, I'd rather go after a guy like Chris Godwin or Allen Robinson in free agency. But I think the more likely scenario is that we use our first on a receiver this year if it's a mid to late first. If we're in the top fifteen, I'd wager EDGE may be a bigger priority given the depth in this class, at which point we'd probably use our second on a receiver.

For clarification, *I* wasn't disputing Landry being overpaid relative the production he's giving. I'm suggesting that the contract wasn't one AB acquired or gave, but instead inherited, and that our system and/or QB doesn't really use a WR1 (Stefon Diggs can confirm). I'm all for using the 1st round pick (GWilson, DLondon) or 2nd round pick (DBell) on a new WR, but I can't see him spending anywhere near $15M on the position going forward. At least not when they're maxing out at 5 targets a game.

 

[Surge]

Not sure you can blame Jarvis, who has a career resume of being an efficient slot/over the middle type receiver when absolutely nothing in our passing game is working.

Baker threw for what 73 yards yesterday? Landry's 26 yards was damn near half of Bakers yardage.

Problems are much deeper than Landry.

 

[Jack Brickman]

For clarification, *I* wasn't disputing Landry being overpaid relative the production he's giving. I'm suggesting that the contract wasn't one AB acquired or gave, but instead inherited, and that our system and/or QB doesn't really use a WR1 (Stefon Diggs can confirm). I'm all for using the 1st round pick (GWilson, DLondon) or 2nd round pick (DBell) on a new WR, but I can't see him spending anywhere near $15M on the position going forward. At least not when they're maxing out at 5 targets a game.

Oh yeah, no doubt Landry wasn't an AB acquisition, which is why I expect either a significant paycut via restructure or the team parting ways with him in the offseason.

I do sort of dispute that Stefanski doesn't use a WR1. In 2019 when he was the coordinator for the Vikings, Diggs put up over 1100 yards on just under 100 targets, including five games where he had over 100 yards.

The issue seems to be more with our WR room. Odell and Baker couldn't get on the same page and Baker was woefully bad when targeting him, and Landry just isn't the type of player a good team can afford to feed ten targets a game to. He's a short yardage chain mover who can occasionally break off big plays because he's shifty in space. I think Higgins is wildly underutilized, especially when you consider how good Baker has been when targeting him, but for whatever reason he always seems to be in the doghouse. Our other receivers are first and second year guys who haven't proven much of anything.

I do think that a Baker Mayfield offense will never have a guy who gets 200 targets like Diggs did last year in Buffalo, but we have no idea if that's on Stefanski. The only QBs he has called plays for are limited players. If he had Aaron Rodgers, I'd imagine he'd call the game differently.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Not sure you can blame Jarvis, who has a career resume of being an efficient slot/over the middle type receiver when absolutely nothing in our passing game is working.

Baker threw for what 73 yards yesterday? Landry's 26 yards was damn near half of Bakers yardage.

Problems are much deeper than Landry.

I mean besides Landry is there really any talent at WR on this team? Honestly would any other WR on the team (outside of Landry) actually play significant time for another team?

 

[Surge]

I mean besides Landry is there really any talent at WR on this team? Honestly would any other WR on the team (outside of Landry) actually play significant time for another team?

I mean we had talent on Odell (no matter what we think of him) and Jarvis/DPJ/Higgins looked good enough last year.

The passing game is a complete grease fire. Not sure how we develop DPJ/Schwartz/Felton when we are completing 7 passes a game or less to WR.

Worst part is it doesn't look like one singular issue. Obviously a lot is probably Baker, but he's not the only issue.

 

[Los216]

Landry the next receiver in Baker's crosshairs................

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Landry the next receiver in Baker's crosshairs................

Fortunately for Baker, Landry sucked even before coming to the Browns.

 

[Selby]

Fortunately for Baker, Landry sucked even before coming to the Browns.

Well this certainly is just not true.

You can say Jarvis is overpaid or he can only bring so much to the table with his skillset, and I don't think many would argue that. But for pretty much his entire NFL career he has been a productive player, and arguably one of the best in the league in his role. To say he has "sucked" is quite the exaggeration.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Well this certainly is just not true.

You can say Jarvis is overpaid or he can only bring so much to the table with his skillset, and I don't think many would argue that. But for pretty much his entire NFL career he has been a productive player, and arguably one of the best in the league in his role. To say he has "sucked" is quite the exaggeration.

I guess.

He's a WR with no discernable great traits. He isn't even all that reliable with his catches.

He's a decent slot WR. That's all he ever has been.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I guess.

He's a WR with no discernable great traits. He isn't even all that reliable with his catches.

He's a decent slot WR. That's all he ever has been.

His drops have been absolutely brutal the past two years.

Much of what people think makes Landry good was that he was a great fantasy PPR player in Miami, but his efficiency was never particularly good. He was a volume guy who got peppered with short area targets on bad teams.

He's a fine player if he's making seven or eight million, but he's hilariously overpaid at fifteen per.

 

[adam81king]

Landry the next receiver in Baker's crosshairs................

The irony of a receiver being in a QBs "crosshairs" when connecting for receptions has been the biggest issue...

 

[Randolphkeys]

Nothing good comes from a "Baker vs. Veteran Receiver" narrative, and additionally it isn't accurate at all in this situation.

Fans wanted to blame OBJ for Baker's awful accuracy this season. It felt good to believe, especially when OBJ forced himself off the roster. It was never that simple.

The offense punched way above their weight class against the Bengals. It didn't feel sustainable. OBJ leaving would never be addition by subtraction - instead, its Jo Jo Nation taking the place of a starting caliber receiver.

The reality of this season is Jarvis is playing on a bad knee, he hasn't looked like the same guy, and any possibility of leaping up to x receiver like 2020 is off the table. So with that, players who aren't ready to be #1WR and #3WR are going to make mistakes and close the season with some dignity.

 

[shoes22]

Jarvis seems basically checked out.


It’s really shitty for local media to question him about this stuff at a charity event though.

 

[adam81king]

Jarvis seems basically checked out.


It’s really shitty for local media to question him about this stuff at a charity event though.

I FULLY agree with your comment about the local media...I'm confused on the first part, though. How does he seem checked out? They're asking him about football while he's at a charity event. I'm surprised he didn't curse her out (I would've).

 

[SanduskyCav]

Yeah..checked out, not happy with his role/touches, whatever you want to call it. Jarvis doesn’t seem thrilled either. I think this season is done.