The next star or super star safari.

[billmac91]

Like it or not, I believe JR Smith with his current contract is virtually untradeable. He's the property of the Cavs unless he's packaged as filler to make the salaries match as part of a larger deal involving star players, and only if we're also giving up a star player.

Agreed, but if the Pacers could work a sign and trade where TT comes with JR, it's more "doable". I'm sure Pacers would prefer some type of asset coming back to them and not many teams will be willing to move assets for George when he can sign outright with them. In this situation the Cavs create the cap space needed and the Pacers get a young piece in TT.

I trust the info....I expect the Cavs to look at creative ways to become more athletic (moving LeBron to the 4 and adding PG as a SF....or vice Versa since PG played a lot of 4 last year) and sliding Love to more minutes at the 5 certainly does that. There's just limited ways to see PG on this team....one of the only paths I see is TT included in a sign and trade and moving JR's contract.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Right after game 2, I was told by someone with a source within the Cavs organization that they expect George to Cleveland rumors to pick up right after the finals.

I'm not sure how Cavs could work that out with current roster construction, but standing pat is playing for second place.

My guess is TT and JR Smith would be involved....

Why would Indiana even consider that??? If they realize that severing ties with George is the way to go, they're better off getting what picks they can and building around Myles Turner. TT and JR do NOTHING for that team.

And as I and others have said repeatedly, JR's contract makes him untradable without parting with further assets. Dream on, we're stuck with him.

 

[Ohio]

Why would Indiana even consider that??? If they realize that severing ties with George is the way to go, they're better off getting what picks they can and building around Myles Turner. TT and JR do NOTHING for that team.

And as I and others have said repeatedly, JR's contract makes him untradable without parting with further assets. Dream on, we're stuck with him.

Paul George can tell the entire NBA not to trade for him because he won't re-sign with them.

In that case, Indiana can take TT and some combo of JR/Shump/Cedi, or they can let him walk for nothing.

 

[Cratylus]

Not saying this is a realistic scenario by any means, but the salaries work and it sheds JR:

Indiana receives:
JR Smith
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
#1 pick in the 2017 Draft

Boston receives:
Kevin Love
2nd rounder from Indiana

Cleveland receives:
Paul George
Amir Johnson

 

[billmac91]

Why would Indiana even consider that??? If they realize that severing ties with George is the way to go, they're better off getting what picks they can and building around Myles Turner. TT and JR do NOTHING for that team.

And as I and others have said repeatedly, JR's contract makes him untradable without parting with further assets. Dream on, we're stuck with him.

TT can play PF next to Myles Turner since Myles can space floor.

The point is, many teams will be gun-shy to unload assets on what could be a 1 year rental of George. Would Boston be willing to unload so many assets on what could turn into him walking after season? I think Cavs would take that risk with assumption George would re-sign since it'd by far be best chance to win titles.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

TT can play PF next to Myles Turner since Myles can space floor.

The point is, many teams will be gun-shy to unload assets on what could be a 1 year rental of George. Would Boston be willing to unload so many assets on what could turn into him walking after season? I think Cavs would take that risk with assumption George would re-sign since it'd by far be best chance to win titles.

Don't see it happening. I know he's stated his desire to win but George has too much pride to bandwagon on a team like the Cavs, especially after getting beat down by LeBron so many years in the East.

Not to mention that a George to Cleveland move only works if LeBron moves full-time to PF, something he's been reluctant to embrace. Who knows, maybe a beatdown in the Finals is what it will finally take.

And I think losing TT would be a bad gamble despite having two horrific games. We're already anemic in the front court, losing our best rebounder and overall most durable player seems unwise.

 

[Ohio]

Don't see it happening. I know he's stated his desire to win but George has too much pride to bandwagon on a team like the Cavs, especially after getting beat down by LeBron so many years in the East.

Just like Durant, right? Oh wait..

Not to mention that a George to Cleveland move only works if LeBron moves full-time to PF, something he's been reluctant to embrace. Who knows, maybe a beatdown in the Finals is what it will finally take.

Indeed...

And I think losing TT would be a bad gamble despite having two horrific games. We're already anemic in the front court, losing our best rebounder and overall most durable player seems unwise.

There's one opponent that matters: Golden State. We are better with Love at the 5 against them. Significantly better.

We'd find veterans to fill the 5 spot this Summer.

 

[billmac91]

Don't see it happening. I know he's stated his desire to win but George has too much pride to bandwagon on a team like the Cavs, especially after getting beat down by LeBron so many years in the East.

Not to mention that a George to Cleveland move only works if LeBron moves full-time to PF, something he's been reluctant to embrace. Who knows, maybe a beatdown in the Finals is what it will finally take.

And I think losing TT would be a bad gamble despite having two horrific games. We're already anemic in the front court, losing our best rebounder and overall most durable player seems unwise.

George started many games and played almost half his minutes at PF this year in regular season. I think it'd be PG who would take lions share of minutes at PF should it happen.

Durant just flipped script on entire NBA...if PG wants to compete for titles, there's really one one solution in the short term and it ain't LA or Boston...

 

[Chris]

George can't play SG?

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Just like Durant, right? Oh wait..

I'm saying that George is cut from a different cloth than Durant, you're saying he isn't. Guess we'll wait and see, but George strikes me as a ferocious competitor, something Durant isn't.

There's one opponent that matters: Golden State. We are better with Love at the 5 against them. Significantly better.

We'd find veterans to fill the 5 spot this Summer.

Let's see how the rest of the series shakes out, as bleak as it looks right now. TT has consistently been an excellent performer for us in the playoffs and he was a major reason we won it all last year. Plus he has the added benefit of being LeBron's boy.

Again, it's been 2 games. If we were writing epitaphs after Game 2 last year, the entire team minus LeBron would be 6 feet under. If this shit continues then I agree, everybody save LeBron is on the slab.

 

[Ohio]

George can't play SG?

He can.

 

[Real Deal]

Like it or not, I believe JR Smith with his current contract is virtually untradeable. He's the property of the Cavs unless he's packaged as filler to make the salaries match as part of a larger deal involving star players, and only if we're also giving up a star player.

It'll be a 3 team trade if anything involving contracts like JR, TT. They'll go to teams that believe they can compete and are one shooter away, or one defender away, or one paint presence away.

Same goes for Melo, he'll also be dealt in a 3 team trade, Phil would want to wipe it clean, unfortunately Noah is the worst contract in the league and he can't wipe that one. But Expirings will go to him while a guy like Shumpert goes to a team of interest.

Regarding George, Indy won't get much if he pulls a power card which he controls 100% for being unrestricted. Teams will line up to seek his interest, but PG13 still has to commit.

Why would Boston send their picks to Indy for noncommittal PG? Why would LA send Russell+whatever for noncommittal George?

Indy is next to screwed for trading a rental player. Best thing will be getting a 3rd team involved to take on a superstar say Kevin Love for that team's assets to get shipped to them.

And I think the big reason why Bird is taking time off is because he doesn't want to endure through another blowup. He sees the writing on the wall and it's extended vacation time.

 

[Ohio]

I'm saying that George is cut from a different cloth than Durant, you're saying he isn't. Guess we'll wait and see, but George strikes me as a ferocious competitor, something Durant isn't.

I think George has pride, sure. But Durant has ruined the league. George and everyone else his age or older has zero chance of ever winning a championship as things stand today. He may not like it but he's simply giving himself a chance by responding to what Durant did last Summer. That doesn't make him a coward. On the contrary; it makes him a savior of basketball.

Let's see how the rest of the series shakes out, as bleak as it looks right now. TT has consistently been an excellent performer for us in the playoffs and he was a major reason we won it all last year. Plus he has the added benefit of being LeBron's boy.

Again, it's been 2 games. If we were writing epitaphs after Game 2 last year, the entire team minus LeBron would be 6 feet under. If this shit continues then I agree, everybody save LeBron is on the slab.

That's fair. We just have such a slim margin of error. Our path to victory is so incredibly narrow right now.

We're playing our ass off and Golden State is wiping the floor with us almost effortlessly. It sucks but it's what is happening.

Fuck Kevin Durant for all of this.

 

[Nphan]

Not saying this is a realistic scenario by any means, but the salaries work and it sheds JR:

Indiana receives:
JR Smith
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
#1 pick in the 2017 Draft

Boston receives:
Kevin Love
2nd rounder from Indiana

Cleveland receives:
Paul George
Amir Johnson

Yeah I want to believe but no way the Pacers give up George for TT and JR. They will want Love or Irving in the deal. I'm torn between giving up Love or Irving right now.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Carmelo for Tristan is the only realistic thing I've seen.

Don't think that makes us good enough, but no doibt these first two games are closer with that swap.

Honestly, the only move that makes us significantly better against GSW is Love for George IMO. The biggest problem being our front court would be paper thin. It would put a ton of pressure on LeBron to be a primary rebounder.

You could entertain moving TT but I just don't see a difference making 3 that will come back for him. George is the only guy I see that is out there that that can significantly upgrade our small ball lineups and give us the additional length and athleticism we need.

It would be a complete GSW or bust move though, as Love is so good paired with LBJ (and he's our only big who can rebound for shit right now). Maybe you could attract a viable vet big to backfill minutes but it's a roll of the dice.

Again, I'm not saying definitely do it but to me, that's our only real option. We need an elite wing player to beat them...someone who can matchup with Durant (which George can do defensively) and make our team completely switchable.

As for people discussing TT and JR for George? That is a complete dream. Boston could fart out a better offer than that. If we want George, we'll have to give up Love.