The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Rich]

What else comes from it? I haven't watched season six or seven in a few years at this point, but the only things I remember is that she uses that "power" to pretend to be Walder after she kills him so that she can wipe out the rest of the Freys.

Sansa finds her little bag of faces during their horrible and contrived conflict in season seven.

I guess you can credit some of her fighting ability during the Long Night to her time at the House of Black and White as well but we like, never really get to see it on screen. The extent of her fighting we see during that storyline is just her getting the shit beat out of her by the Waif when she is blinded by Jaquen (and don't get me started on her getting stabbed five times in the gut and then falling into the shit filled river). We see more of her actual combat training with Syrio and when she's practicing her water dancing while on the road with The Hound.

She kills the Night King

 

[Chris]

That's all the last three seasons of the show is. It's like they had a checklist of major moments but no idea how to connect one to another. So we get a lot of cool moments in a vacuum, but the terrible pacing and complete lack of logic required to get from one moment to another in such a short period of time doesn't work.

This is pretty much how I felt.

Season 6 was still phenomenal in my opinion, but it’s where the show just began to transition to fan service with a bunch of moments and payoffs that were cool but often not earned or written horribly. Season 7 is where I began to genuinely worry and then Season 8, well. Let’s just say it came about as close to ruining this story for me as it could. Completely killed any interest in ASOIAF I had for two years.

Starting to miss Westeros, and I am actually excited for HOTD.

 

[Stark]

She kills the Night King

I tried to block that from my memory completely.

 

[Jack Brickman]

This is pretty much how I felt.

Season 6 was still phenomenal in my opinion, but it’s where the show just began to transition to fan service with a bunch of moments and payoffs that were cool but often not earned or written horribly. Season 7 is where I began to genuinely worry and then Season 8, well. Let’s just say it came about as close to ruining this story for me as it could. Completely killed any interest in ASOIAF I had for two years.

Starting to miss Westeros, and I am actually excited for HOTD.

Yeah, and like I think even the last two seasons have some really cool moments. The battle for King's Landing at the end looked incredible. It just didn't have the appropriate narrative substance to make it as epic emotionally as it was visually. The show never stopped looking good, and it looked better and better as the series progressed and they had more money to play with. We just found out that the showrunners were incapable of giving the characters the depth and nuance that Martin was, and so when they ran out of material everyone became a caricature of themselves.

 

[foucault87]

Everything in the last season was like a bad fanfic

 

[Jack Brickman]

Everything in the last season was like a bad fanfic

Yeah, and while the showrunners certainly deserve the bulk of the blame for ending the show way too early to satisfactorily wrap things up, Martin deserves a decent share of the blame as well for taking over a decade to write a damn book.

 

[Stark]

This is also one of the absolute worst things season 8 did:

 

[Chris]

This is also one of the absolute worst things season 8 did:

Utterly ridiculous lol

 

[Jack Brickman]

Of all the characters on the show that got done dirty, not got done dirtier than Jaime Lannister. Him going back to Cersei was absurd and threw out eight seasons worth of character development.

I still think he kills her in the books, probably for the same reason he killed Aerys. She is going to destroy the whole city rather than yield it to Aegon and so he chokes her to death to prevent her from giving the order. Then, of course, Dany shows up later and ends up torching the place anyway.

But assuming that Jaime isn't Azor Ahai reborn, it would seem a fitting end for his character to be executed much like Ned Stark was for doing the honorable thing.

 

[foucault87]

I've only been in this Fandom for a few years and I've given up on ados. There is a decent chance of twow finishing up but GRRM keeps getting distracted by unnecessary side projects

 

[MirORich]

I've only been in this Fandom for a few years and I've given up on ados. There is a decent chance of twow finishing up but GRRM keeps getting distracted by unnecessary side projects

He will finish TWOW (perhaps within the next 2-3 years lol) make all sorts of noise about ADOS and how he will finish the series but ultimately, he will turn over all his notes and manuscripts to someone he commissions to finish the story in 1-2 more books after his death.

Just a severely low (5% or less) chance that he himself completes the series.

 

[Chris]

He will finish TWOW (perhaps within the next 2-3 years lol) make all sorts of noise about ADOS and how he will finish the series but ultimately, he will turn over all his notes and manuscripts to someone he commissions to finish the story in 1-2 more books after his death.

Just a severely low (5% or less) chance that he himself completes the series.

I’m probably okay with that, if it happens.

Rather he finish it but at this point that’s a pipe dream. I too think he’ll get TWOW out, probably in the next 3-4 years.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Of all the characters on the show that got done dirty, not got done dirtier than Jaime Lannister. Him going back to Cersei was absurd and threw out eight seasons worth of character development.

I still think he kills her in the books, probably for the same reason he killed Aerys. She is going to destroy the whole city rather than yield it to Aegon and so he chokes her to death to prevent her from giving the order. Then, of course, Dany shows up later and ends up torching the place anyway.

But assuming that Jaime isn't Azor Ahai reborn, it would seem a fitting end for his character to be executed much like Ned Stark was for doing the honorable thing.

I dunno, Cersei being the most heinous living human being dying from rocks fall on her head was up there too.

As others have said, she was basically Mega Hitler, and I didn't even get a payoff from seeing her die. I didn't even know that was the last scene, just a roof collapse and they are both gone.

She should have been skull fucked by a dragon, at the very least, and instead, no payoff.

Fucking shit, I cannot talk about this anymore. It's the worst payoff in TV history.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He will finish TWOW (perhaps within the next 2-3 years lol) make all sorts of noise about ADOS and how he will finish the series but ultimately, he will turn over all his notes and manuscripts to someone he commissions to finish the story in 1-2 more books after his death.

Just a severely low (5% or less) chance that he himself completes the series.

I could see him handing it off to someone like Daniel Abraham, who wrote The Expanse series with Martin's former assistant, Ty Franck. Abraham has also written two very good fantasy series, The Dagger and the Coin and The Long Price Quartet. Joe Abercrombie would be an appropriate choice as well. Or even Bakker if he could lay off the philosophical ramblings a bit. I find Bakker's writing to be among the best in the genre, but sometimes he gets a little too far up his own ass with his meanderings to the point where it feels like every character is constantly undergoing some sort of existential crisis.

 

[foucault87]

Have people read any of the supplemental stuff from GRRM? I quite enjoyed Fire & Blood but I would still prefer to read TWOW next