The Pacers are beatable boys!

[PIP]

I thought that would get your attention. :chuckles: The season has you a little uptight I think. I'm sooooooo glad that Marshall hit that shot or else you wouldn't know what to do. :chuckles:

I know you'll always be down for yours so I just threw a little rock at your window. That board over there is a little stagnant at times. A little player comparisons always gets the conversation kick started. TJ is sooooo Wise.

Please chief...

You know very well your team could be and the way they play "D" should be 2-3

Redd (first game) and Mo (last night) hits two 19 pointers that save the day and I wouldn't know what to do with myself ?

WHAT A SMACK TALKER

IT'S ON

 

[LyXo]

TJ, enough with going into every thread and saying how Marshall saved our ass, blah blah blah blah blah. Do it in one thread, it's self defense. Do it in several, it's personal attacks. We take our Cavs personally.

And everyone else, this is the NBA forum. He's free to talk about anything NBA. And if it gets out of hand, let the moderation team handle it, so quit instigating.

And, I give the Bucks props for their win. They almost got handed a tough loss, but they came through at home and gave their fans a good show. Redd really bailed you out of a home loss, I'm really glad he made that shot or you wouldn't know what to do.

 

[PIP]

"HOLD ME BACK LYXO" "HOLD ME BACK"...I'm going to kick his ass... :heated:

Someone calm me down

 

[RuanuLaw]

TJ, enough with going into every thread and saying how Marshall saved our ass, blah blah blah blah blah. Do it in one thread, it's self defense. Do it in several, it's personal attacks. We take our Cavs personally.

And everyone else, this is the NBA forum. He's free to talk about anything NBA. And if it gets out of hand, let the moderation team handle it, so quit instigating.

And, I give the Bucks props for their win. They almost got handed a tough loss, but they came through at home and gave their fans a good show. Redd really bailed you out of a home loss, I'm really glad he made that shot or you wouldn't know what to do.

We are not instigating, we are just trying to open his eyes.

And so what? Marshall saved our ass. I AM GLAD...cause he is in our team.

 

[joma]

pacers gave you that game, what did they miss? 10 FREE throws in the last minute? What a lucky win. Dont expect it to happen again.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Lyxo you're misreading me here. I haven't made any comments in any other thread implying that the Cavs were "lucky" to win. My comment here was just a lighthearted jab at a poster that I have a good rapport with....Lepip. He's given my Bucks a lot more grief than I'll ever give the Cavs so really it was just fun banter between he and I. It's propaganda (ficticious) to say that I've "attacked" anyone in this regard. I've found this to be a common practice of those trying to build a case against me. I have no problem giving credit when it's due and providing an objective opinion even if it's unpopular.

I've never been one to knock W's (unless some homer somewhere deserves a kick in the pants...coughjomacough). Marshall did what he was paid to do, knock down big three point shots. He gave his team a chance to win, and ultimately the Cavs outplayed the Magic because they achieved the objective....winning the game. The Cavs weren't lucky that Marshall hit the shot. He hit the shot! I've said before that I put wins in three catagories (good, quality, and great), but ultimately, a win is a win is a win.

In regards to the Pacers, part of winning a basketball game is being able to execute in pressure situations. Stepping to the line in crunch time is not a given as some of the youngins here are suggesting. It's one of the finer details of winning a basketball game. The Pacers failed in this regard and the Bucks succeeded. Had Redd not made his 3 free throws after being fouled under a minute by Anthony Johnson, would I be accurate in saying that the Bucks gave the Pacers the game? Of course not. If you make boneheaded plays under pressure, put the wrong personel on the floor, and wear out and play meekly on the glass and on defense when the game is on the line, then you did not give the game away, you were beat by a team that executed and wanted it more.

If we allowed ourselves to portray any victory or loss as "lucky", then we have to characterize pretty much every game that way. The loser will always have missed free throws, broken plays, turnovers, injuries, ect., ect., that they can try to rationalize losing with. So you won't find me calling any teams win "lucky". If you chose to do so, it speaks to your understanding of the key elements of winning. Each game has it's ebbs and flows....good play and bad play....the team that has the better ratio of good play/coaching to bad play/coaching will generally win the contest. Those that don't put things in proper perspective cannot escape the labels of "sore losers" and "crybabies".

Fortunately this season, neither the Cavs nor Bucks have had to do too much crying.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

I predicted before the season that Sarunas would regret his decision to sign with Indiana, maybe even publically (he is that type of guy). I think Larry Bird sold him on the team concept that Indiana tries to develop, but cannot even get close now with the retirement of Reggie Miller - he IMO, provided some glue to that team of individuals.

I did also predict Indiana to be the top team in the East, but Sarunas would still not be happy - even on a winning team, he will still be deep on their bench. In a Cavalier uni, he at least could have solidly contributed, possibly starting, and been around TRUE friends. He blew it, and will live to regret it. He said he wanted to sign with a team that "is ready to win a championship." I hope Karma (no pun intended ) bites him in the ass and we knock them out of the playoffs.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

I predicted before the season that Sarunas would regret his decision to sign with Indiana, maybe even publically (he is that type of guy). I think Larry Bird sold him on the team concept that Indiana tries to develop, but cannot even get close now with the retirement of Reggie Miller - he IMO, provided some glue to that team of individuals.

I did also predict Indiana to be the top team in the East, but Sarunas would still not be happy - even on a winning team, he will still be deep on their bench. In a Cavalier uni, he at least could have solidly contributed, possibly starting, and been around TRUE friends. He blew it, and will live to regret it. He said he wanted to sign with a team that "is ready to win a championship." I hope Karma (no pun intended ) bites him in the ass and we knock them out of the playoffs.

I'm glad you brought this up. I thought Sarunas would have been a purrrrrrfect fit in Cleveland. A place where he could play big minutes and provide production and leadership at the most critical position on the floor. Signing with the Pacers (a competing team) was almost like kicking his guy Z firmly in the sac. Strange.

While it's no secret that Sarunas wanted to play for a championship, I think his agent sold him on the hype (admittedly justified) surrounding the Pacers. I think many people underestimated Reggie Miller's value in balancing the Pacer's chemistry set. It was a misguided notion to believe that Sarunas would be able to come into that setting with that team and be considered a leader as a rookie.

You're starting to see some of that contempt and friction manifest itself in the wake of Coach Carlisle sitting Tinsley in the fourth in favor of Sarunas. Tinsley is not happy and many think sat out the Bucks game in protest.

So ultimately, Sarunus traded in playing for another winning team in Cleveland that had a starting spot, his good friend, and a cast of high character, dedicated players (Marshall, James, Snow) to sit the bench behind that whiny jackass Jamaal Tinsley while trying to "lead" guys like Bipolar Ron Ron, gangsta Jackson, and KO the fan killah.

All is not well in Indy. They will implode at some point....Tinsley may ask for a trade.

 

[LyXo]

Doubt it. They have Rick Carlisle. They'll get it together. It takes time for teams to gel. Artest is being beastly, Sarunas will find his shot and place on the team, JO will continue his 20/10. Tinsley will pout, but in the end, winning suppresses any strife. They might be missing the antics of Mike Brown, but I can see them pulling together rather than tearing apart.

 

[TJ_4_CV31]

There are fans right now on the Pacer board crying about how they wish they had Mike Brown as their coach.

 

[LyXo]

All this talk is silly. It's like if they started 0-6. But they're still 4-2. They had a collapse, but there are ups and downs for teams refinding themselves. Jumping the gun, jumping the gun. Give me November, then make an assessment.

 

[Rimage]

Another thread that is primarily about the Bucks? :shakehead

If you don't want to talk about the Bucks, then don't respond to TJs posts. By complaining about it, he get exactly what he wants. Just ignore it instead of keeping an irrelevant thread around for weeks.

 

[LyXo]

It's actually a thread about the Pacers, but because TJ made it, it became a discussion about the Bucks through instigation.

 

[Rimage]

It's actually a thread about the Pacers, but because TJ made it, it became a discussion about the Bucks through instigation.

Oh, and I thought is was a coincidence...I am going to take my own advice now.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

As you know, I wanted Sarunas to sign with Cleveland - however, I had one concern.....his ability to mesh with LeBron. We all know he is abrasive and fiery, and his contract would have coorelated with LeBron decided to re-up for a max deal. With the signing of Sarus, we would not have landed Damon Jones, probably not as skilled of a player as Sarus, but definitely a better person/teammate/presence in the locker room - someone that can keep LeBron happy with his personality.

With Jones and Marshall signed for a couple years past when LeBron will make his decision may be an important piece to the process LeBron will go through when he hits the market. Someone like Sarunas in a Cav uni may have led LeBron another way - because of personality, friction, etc.

With Sarunas, we would have still gotten Marshall, Hughes and Z re-signed. It is basically a choice between Jones and Sarunas....

I call it even right now. We'll see how the Lithuanian develops. But there is no doubt he would have gotten more PT in Cleveland, and been a larger part of a winning team.