Trade ideas: Offseason edition

[Erbium]

If the Bucks and Khris continue to choke…

what about Love+Sexton for Middleton?

bucks need spacing and scorers…Jrue may be a decent partner for Sexton too.

 

[Mcreek]

Trade Sexton, Nance and next years #1 to Orlando for there two picks at #5 and #7. Cavz take Barnes and Kai Jones after selecting Green at #3

 

[Cavatt]

If the Bucks and Khris continue to choke…

what about Love+Sexton for Middleton?

bucks need spacing and scorers…Jrue may be a decent partner for Sexton too.

I think this would be a good trade for both teams. Middleton is a little old, but I think it would be a really solid fit. Giannis needs a guy like Sexton. They can't score when the chips are down

 

[I'mWithDan]

Trade Sexton, Nance and next years #1 to Orlando for there two picks at #5 and #7. Cavz take Barnes and Kai Jones after selecting Green at #3

This feels like a lot to give up for #5 and #8.

I think Collin alone is worth #8 for example. You could probably offer him to GSW / ORL / NOP for 7/8/10 and one of those teams says yes.

That would leave the value makeup on #5.

Nance is useful, he needs to stay healthy but he's on a good contract and he is a good player if he can get right physically. He probably has late 1st draft capital for a contender. The hangup is removing Nance and Sexton makes our team just immediately worse. And adding in 3 rookies to a rotation makes it infinitely worse.

I'd only trade a 1st next year in this situation if it was something like lotto protections in 2022, top 5 in 2023, top 3 in 2024, unprotected in 2025. Relative to the protections you would need, I just don't see someone wanting to do that in a draft this good.

 

[Ozone]

Trade Sexton, Nance and next years #1 to Orlando for there two picks at #5 and #7. Cavz take Barnes and Kai Jones after selecting Green at #3

Orlando has plenty of combo score first guards already and none about to need to get paid. Orlando says no imo.
I don't think people are understanding just how unlikely it is that the Cavs would even consider trading Sexton right now.
They are most likely getting Mobley or Green maybe somebody else sneaks in there like Barnes who has legitimized his upside with his Freakish combine size and athleticism for a point guard in a forwards body. Either way they get a stud at 3 to pair with Sexton who they will surely offer an extension to.

 

[daytripper]

This feels like a lot to give up for #5 and #8.

I think Collin alone is worth #8 for example. You could probably offer him to GSW / ORL / NOP for 7/8/10 and one of those teams says yes.

That would leave the value makeup on #5.

Nance is useful, he needs to stay healthy but he's on a good contract and he is a good player if he can get right physically. He probably has late 1st draft capital for a contender. The hangup is removing Nance and Sexton makes our team just immediately worse. And adding in 3 rookies to a rotation makes it infinitely worse.

I'd only trade a 1st next year in this situation if it was something like lotto protections in 2022, top 5 in 2023, top 3 in 2024, unprotected in 2025. Relative to the protections you would need, I just don't see someone wanting to do that in a draft this good.

I feel that talent wise Collin is definitely worth the 8th pick in this draft for the right team. Unfortunately he's running out of time on his rookie scale deal so that is really going to hamper his value. Jarrett Allen was only worth a future Milwuakee pick for the same reason (albeit as a scorer I would assume that Collin would be worth more on the trade market). The Pelicans might be a good match esp if they keep Ball but not sure they give up 10 considering they would have to pay Sexton and they already have some big salaries on their roster.

 

[Mcreek]

Sexton for Simmons?

The perfect trade Cavs must offer Sixers for Ben Simmons

Ben Simmons of the Sixers s had a horrible playoff run and is rumored to be traded. The Cavs are in a great position to make a move for him...

cavsnation.com

 

[I'mWithDan]

Sexton for Simmons?

The perfect trade Cavs must offer Sixers for Ben Simmons

Ben Simmons of the Sixers s had a horrible playoff run and is rumored to be traded. The Cavs are in a great position to make a move for him...

cavsnation.com

Such a weird article when mentioning Prince and things like a 1st but failing to mention that Love needs to be in the deal to make it even work.

It is such a risky trade for the Cavs to me......because my personal view would be trading Sexton is a means to preserve or reset salary cap space.......when Simmons would actually accelerate the reduction of cap space.

If this were 12 months from now and whoever we take at #3 is a stud.......and Simmons fits in to the Garland / #3 stud mix, then sure, go for it with Simmons as the 3rd piece of a "big 3".

But right now, I honestly think we just aren't far enough along to make a deal like this. We need to continue to build cost controlled assets and see how our roster crystalizes.....then shift valuable but non fitting pieces out right when we are ready to contend.

 

[fncavsfan]

Of all the crazy trades this one actually….. isn’t bad?

Kings team would be Fox-Haliburton-Simmons-Love-Holmes…. I like that team as long as Fox in particular improves from 3pt line…. Haliburton already shot 40%+ in his rookie season

76ers would be Sexton-Curry-Hield-Harris-Embiid

Cavs would be

Garland
Jalen Green
Barnes / Okoro
Nance
Allen

and the #7 pick….. maybe Scottie Barnes or Kuminga slide? Someone always reaches in every draft so one of the two might be there.

I like this one.

Sac has #9, not #7.

Terrible for the Cavs.

Sexton for Simmons?

The perfect trade Cavs must offer Sixers for Ben Simmons

Ben Simmons of the Sixers s had a horrible playoff run and is rumored to be traded. The Cavs are in a great position to make a move for him...

cavsnation.com

WTF, the guy writing the article references "rumors" the Cavs want to trade Sexton -which is a link to his own article on why they should trade Sexton. Must be one the posters here writing these stupid ass articles.

Add picks to Sexton for Simmons-GTFO---I saw all I need to with Simmons-he does not have that killer mentality, I KNOW Sexton would go down swinging. And I am not paying Simmons that contract for 4 years even if he were FREE. (ONLY way I see Simmons working for a team is as a Center with four shooters on the floor-and I dont think he sees himself that way)

Simmons as the 3rd piece of a "big 3"--man any team counting on this guy in an important moment is going to be let down. Part of a big 3? Yeah I don't see it.

 

[Rich]

The Bucks are down 0-1 guys Jesus Christ.

*Team loses close game late in playoffs.

"THat's it. BLOW IT ALL UP!"

 

[Cavatt]

The Bucks are down 0-1 guys Jesus Christ.

*Team loses close game late in playoffs.

"THat's it. BLOW IT ALL UP!"

At home against a low seed, who should not be that tough. Of all the people to make fun of instant declarations? Who did you pick in Mavs Clippers?


I think Jrue, Giannis, Middleton is a flawed big 3. Dissapointed in Middleton and Jrue's shooting. One of them should be moved.

 

[Rich]

At home against a low seed, who should not be that tough. Of all the people to make fun of instant declarations? Who did you pick in Mavs Clippers?


I think Jrue, Giannis, Middleton is a flawed big 3. Dissapointed in Middleton and Jrue's shooting. One of them should be moved.

I think the idea of trading a clearly superior player both in terms of quality of play, of versatility, and of fit with Giannis for Colin Sexton is never a good idea.

They could get swept this series and I'd thinking trading MIddleton for Colin Sexton is a terrible idea.



And Atlanta is better than their seed. THey were tanking the season because they didn't like their coach. I'd think beating Philly last series and the Knicks in 5 kinda proved that. How many people thought that Knicks series was going 7?

This is a tough opponent for Milwaukee.

 

[Cavatt]

I think the idea of trading a clearly superior player both in terms of quality of play, of versatility, and of fit with Giannis for Colin Sexton is never a good idea.

They could get swept this series and I'd thinking trading MIddleton for Colin Sexton is a terrible idea.

Fine by me, but they don't have single person on that roster that can break the defense. Middleton is not very versatile. He is a really good player when everything is going right and he is in the exact right circumstances.

 

[Rich]

Some of MIddleton's games againt BKN.

35 points and 15 rebounds in a 3 point, low scoring game.

25 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists.

38 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, and 5 steals.

And in game 7 23 points, 10 rebounds, 6 assists, and 5 steals. Back to back games with 5 steals.


Sexton might be able to get to the hole a little easier.

And there's no doubt their defense would be far worse and I'm positive if they had Sexton and not Middleton, they're out last round.

Also, as I'll keep pointing, SExton's 3 point shooting is misleading. He doesn't take any of them unless he's very wide open and has a lot of time to position the ball. Make him take 8-10 3s a game, some of them closely guarded, and he's not a 40% 3 point shooter anymore.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

This is taping a bit of a leap, but there’s been rumors for a while about Indy trading Turner, and I read quite a bit of stuff during the season about them potentially wanting to trade Brogdan and let LeVert be the primary ball-handler. If that’s actually the case, I could see something like this possibly working out.

Trade #1:

Cavs Get:
Simmons

Pacers Get:
Curry
Hill
Philly ‘21 1st

76ers Get:
Sexton
Prince
Nance
Brogdan

Trade #2

Allen S&T for Turner

This potentially could be one trade, but didn’t know because of the S&T.

Cavs take Green and windup with Garland, Green, Simmons, Love, Turner. Depth would be an issue for sure, but if you’re building a lineup to maximize Simmons, that’s pretty much what you want.

Curry reunites with Carlisle. They probably start Curry, LeVert, Warren, Sabonis, and Allen, but they could also use their 2 1sts and other pieces to upgrade at SF or PG.

Philly probably starts Sexton, Brogdan, Harris, Nance, Embiid and then Nance is the first guy to sub out with Harris sliding down to PF. You don’t want Harris full-time at SF, but should be fine in spurts if he’s playing with Nance and Embiid.

Also, by making this trade the Cavs would only have around $73 mill committed to the cap in the 2023 offseason with Simmons, Garland, Green, and Okoro under contract.