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Trading Collin Sexton or Darius Garland

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Who should the Cavs trade

  • Darius Garland

    Votes: 12 15.0%

  • Collin Sexton

    Votes: 39 48.8%

  • Neither

    Votes: 29 36.3%
  • Total voters
    80
Mcreek said:
Looks like Garland has more value than Sexton. I wonder what Sexton could bring in a trade?

Hey, Chris: How would you rank the Cavs’ “core four” in order of organizational importance? -- Jim from Pittsburgh.



Hey, Jim: While the Cavs have a young core, I think there are legitimate questions about the ceiling. They need a focal point, someone to build around instead of with. As it stands, point guard Darius Garland is most important. After a lousy rookie season, he made big strides as a sophomore. He displayed the playmaking skill set that has many within the organization believing he’s already the team’s best player. Expectations are he will only get better with more confidence and experience.



Garland is an easy fit. He’s a natural point guard. He plays with an infectious style and can get teammates into an offensive rhythm. The Cavs were 4-14 without him. He’s the kind of engine that can drive this offense out of the league’s cellar.
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Garland also doesn't require a "unique" kind of player to pair with him; which I think is under acknowledged. "Just pair him with a big point guard" is something often said about Collin. Since they don't grow on trees, at least at the elite NBA level, it's often easier said than done. Darius doesn't have the same issues.
 
There's no rush here. They'll only increase in value for the next couple of seasons.
 
Nathan S said:
We’ll be lucky if Sexton has any trade value after his contract extension, and I’m generally on the pro-Sexton side of things.
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I'm a huge Sexton fan too. Realistically, his value will never be higher than it will be this off-season. I want to keep him, but if the organization decides Sexland can't work long-term, there is no better time to move him than before his likely near max extension.
 
Mcreek said:
Looks like Garland has more value than Sexton. I wonder what Sexton could bring in a trade?

Hey, Chris: How would you rank the Cavs’ “core four” in order of organizational importance? -- Jim from Pittsburgh.



Hey, Jim: While the Cavs have a young core, I think there are legitimate questions about the ceiling. They need a focal point, someone to build around instead of with. As it stands, point guard Darius Garland is most important. After a lousy rookie season, he made big strides as a sophomore. He displayed the playmaking skill set that has many within the organization believing he’s already the team’s best player. Expectations are he will only get better with more confidence and experience.



Garland is an easy fit. He’s a natural point guard. He plays with an infectious style and can get teammates into an offensive rhythm. The Cavs were 4-14 without him. He’s the kind of engine that can drive this offense out of the league’s cellar.
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Fedor doesn't know who has more trade value or on court value in a vacuum. Don't trust this reporting at all
 
MVP said:
I'm a huge Sexton fan too. Realistically, his value will never be higher than it will be this off-season. I want to keep him, but if the organization decides Sexland can't work long-term, there is no better time to move him than before his likely near max extension.
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That could not be farther from the truth imo given he continually gets slept on while playmakers like Garland get all the love. Trade Garland if you have to trade one it will be easier and get you more of a return then draft a big pg there are several in this draft if it helps you sleep
 
Ozone said:
That could not be farther from the truth imo given he continually gets slept on while playmakers like Garland get all the love. Trade Garland if you have to trade one it will be easier and get you more of a return then draft a big pg there are several in this draft if it helps you sleep
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What couldn't be farther from the truth?

I'm one of Sexton's biggest fans. I hope he'll be representing the wine & gold for many years to come.

At $5 mil per season (his current contract), his on-court value is obviously way higher than that.

At $33 mil per season (rookie max extension), his on-court value needs to improve significantly to equal that value.

After he signs his extension, his trade value will decrease significantly. My only point is that if they decide to move one of Sexland, and decide to move Sexton (not saying that would be my decision), now would be the best time to pursue that option.
 
MVP said:
What couldn't be farther from the truth?

I'm one of Sexton's biggest fans. I hope he'll be representing the wine & gold for many years to come.

At $5 mil per season (his current contract), his on-court value is obviously way higher than that.

At $33 mil per season (rookie max extension), his on-court value needs to improve significantly to equal that value.

After he signs his extension, his trade value will decrease significantly. My only point is that if they decide to move one of Sexland, and decide to move Sexton (not saying that would be my decision), now would be the best time to pursue that option.
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Don't really agree with that. Whatever team would trade for him this summer would be doing so having factored his inevitable extension into the value equation.
 
daddywags said:
Don't really agree with that. Whatever team would trade for him this summer would be doing so having factored his inevitable extension into the value equation.
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pretty much my take
 
daddywags said:
Don't really agree with that. Whatever team would trade for him this summer would be doing so having factored his inevitable extension into the value equation.
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Having to give up $33M of value in trade likely means giving up a player of value to a team, and cuts into their cap space (if they have any), versus trading $5M worth of assets and signing him with Bird Rights.
 
adam81king said:
Having to give up $33M of value in trade likely means giving up a player of value to a team, and cuts into their cap space (if they have any), versus trading $5M worth of assets and signing him with Bird Rights.
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there is an reason where trading him now could make sense for CLE if they were not so invested in him already. They are. If he was on the same tier as Cedi or something in the future plans I could see it but I do not think that is the case and any amount of concerns with trade ability later should be not a concern given they are fully committed to keeping him long term.
The only reason to move him now is if you have no interest in getting anything of value just in case you can't move him later because he is not worth the contract due to injury or something. Nobody trades somebody for nothing so they don't have to keep them later lol
 
Ozone said:
there is an reason where trading him now could make sense for CLE if they were not so invested in him already. They are. If he was on the same tier as Cedi or something in the future plans I could see it but I do not think that is the case and any amount of concerns with trade ability later should be not a concern given they are fully committed to keeping him long term.
The only reason to move him now is if you have no interest in getting anything of value just in case you can't move him later because he is not worth the contract due to injury or something. Nobody trades somebody for nothing so they don't have to keep them later lol
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Not one person is arguing to dump Sexton for nothing to avoid paying him his extension.

If we moved him, it would be for value.

In this league, it’s much easier to trade a player making $5 million than it is to trade a player making $33 million. It just is.

We’ve seen this story dozens of times in recent NBA history: a player loses value the minute they ink a huge extension. That’s not to say Sexton would have no value after — I just think his value is probably at its peak right now.

With that said, unless we get a massive haul, I prefer to sign him to the extension and keep him long-term. Especially if we can draft a true stud this year.
 
Even if we give him an extension this year it won't kick in until 2022-23. His salary for trade purposes will be 6.3 million until then even if we extend him tomorrow.
 
But if we extend a team will have to takr on the salary. If its 18m a year, value. 33m a year, an albatross
 
MVP said:
Not one person is arguing to dump Sexton for nothing to avoid paying him his extension.

If we moved him, it would be for value.

In this league, it’s much easier to trade a player making $5 million than it is to trade a player making $33 million. It just is.

We’ve seen this story dozens of times in recent NBA history: a player loses value the minute they ink a huge extension. That’s not to say Sexton would have no value after — I just think his value is probably at its peak right now.

With that said, unless we get a massive haul, I prefer to sign him to the extension and keep him long-term. Especially if we can draft a true stud this year.
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you cannot expect to get replacement level value for a player as impactful as him right now it wont happen
 
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