Trading Collin Sexton or Darius Garland

[Cavatt]

you cannot expect to get replacement level value for a player as impactful as him right now it wont happen

Exactly. Yes you can trade him for 5M, but what are you getting back that is worth what Sexton is? You aren't getting an unprotected pick

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If the Cavs draft a PG, trade Garland. Draft an SG, trade Sexton.

Doesn't get tough unless they draft a SF.

 

[Ozone]

If the Cavs draft a PG, trade Garland. Draft an SG, trade Sexton.

Doesn't get tough unless they draft a SF.

Yeah I am of the camp that if they draft a true off ball guard which there really are none in the lottery that I see, then Sexton is instantly elite 6th man on this roster not traded.
If they draft a PG Garland is obviously upgraded and probably has to be traded on the same day if it can net them another lottery pick in the process. If not Garland moves down in the rotation and runs the 2nd unit until they find a suitable trade.
I don't think you can draft Jalen Green for example and call him a off ball player. He needs the ball as much as Sexton and Darius do to make shots and make plays. Hell Okoro showed he needs the ball to really excel offensively at this stage with no pull up game.
I think if they do not take a pf like Mobley or Kuminga or see Barnes as one then they should draft the bpa guard and be done with it and not go the route of over valuing somebody with less floor and less potential than the top 6.
Of course as I am saying this I can see them picking 8th smh

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yeah I am of the camp that if they draft a true off ball guard which there really are none in the lottery that I see, then Sexton is instantly elite 6th man on this roster not traded.
If they draft a PG Garland is obviously upgraded and probably has to be traded on the same day if it can net them another lottery pick in the process. If not Garland moves down in the rotation and runs the 2nd unit until they find a suitable trade.
I don't think you can draft Jalen Green for example and call him a off ball player. He needs the ball as much as Sexton and Darius do to make shots and make plays. Hell Okoro showed he needs the ball to really excel offensively at this stage with no pull up game.
I think if they do not take a pf like Mobley or Kuminga or see Barnes as one then they should draft the bpa guard and be done with it and not go the route of over valuing somebody with less floor and less potential than the top 6.
Of course as I am saying this I can see them picking 8th smh

We can't afford to pay a 6th man the amount of money Sexton will command as an RFA next summer. And if he's not going to be here because of that, then it makes sense to move him before next season.

 

[BodegaBayCav]

My opinion is that Garland has a tremendous upside. Definitely keep him.

As for Sexton, I would be willing to trade him for need. I doubt many GM's would be giving up more than an average veteran starter for Sexton and then to put him in the sixth man role. Sexton just has too many flaws as a player to start on a good team. I compare him to Monta Ellis who was a similar scorer for the Warriors.

If the Cavs couldn't find a good trade for Sexton, I would offer him a 4 year extension at around 80 M. If he doesn't take it, let him play out his option year and let the Cavs match whatever offers he gets, if they want.

 

[Ozone]

We can't afford to pay a 6th man the amount of money Sexton will command as an RFA next summer. And if he's not going to be here because of that, then it makes sense to move him before next season.

maybe, but that is just more reason to think they will not be drafting an off ball guard in the lottery since there are none really and Sexton is clearly getting his extension here along with the front office would be committing career suicide trading him for anything less than a top 3 pick which won't happen this close to the end of his current deal.
They can move Garland easier if they decide to break up Sexland and that is probably the more reasonable expectation.

 

[Ozone]

My opinion is that Garland has a tremendous upside. Definitely keep him.

As for Sexton, I would be willing to trade him for need. I doubt many GM's would be giving up more than an average veteran starter for Sexton and then to put him in the sixth man role. Sexton just has too many flaws as a player to start on a good team. I compare him to Monta Ellis who was a similar scorer for the Warriors.

If the Cavs couldn't find a good trade for Sexton, I would offer him a 4 year extension at around 80 M. If he doesn't take it, let him play out his option year and let the Cavs match whatever offers he gets, if they want.

I think ideally you keep both of them for at least another season and hope Sexton takes a reasonable offer instead of the full amount in the event he is best for this roster as a 6th man with the odds being lower however since he has already earned a max extension as a starter here. If and only if Garland realizes some of the "tremendous upside" he has NOT shown yet. He is a damn good point guard no joke, I love his shifty handles and has a developing floater and is a lob toss machine but he is so far from being that elite 1st option floor general that there is no reason to hold onto him because you think he might be great someday after 2 seasons as a starter with only some flashes of being a fringe all star level player.
I think Sexton has actually been held back by this teams refusal to put better players around him while they tank for a superstar and coddle the rookies 2 seasons in a row.
I would draft Suggs and move Garland and have no regrets if Mobley is gone

 

[roozy]

I honestly don't see Sexton as all that good, and trading him would fix a lot of the Cavs problems.

 

[cliffdawg]

All season long I was on the Sexton bandwagon, but seeing Garland growth as a player/point guard , I like his continuing growth as a player, For this team, after watching Sexton run the PG after Garland got hurt , was pretty painful,

Now the question is what lottery type team can use a Sexton type player, My first team I’m looking at is Orlando, but I’m really having a hard time matching Sexton with a team......

 

[Ozone]

All season long I was on the Sexton bandwagon, but seeing Garland growth as a player/point guard , I like his continuing growth as a player, For this team, after watching Sexton run the PG after Garland got hurt , was pretty painful,

Now the question is what lottery type team can use a Sexton type player, My first team I’m looking at is Orlando, but I’m really having a hard time matching Sexton with a team......

no offense but when if ever was Sexton actually running the team more than a few sets a game?
Cedi or Delly or Dotson etc were always the ones that did that for the most part with Garland out.
I thought Sexton did ok when he did try to get his team involved especially considering there is no chemistry
with him doing that for him or them having him play a scoring role predominantly on this roster.
Garland in the same role as Sexton has been playing probably gets the same scrutiny and maybe turns out just as good of a scorer as Sexton has been, but I am guessing that is not very likely. Sexton going into his 4th season is probably far more capable of running a team than you think if they ever actually could live without his scoring you might see that.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

There is plenty of more time to let the individual players and the collective team develop before making a decision like this.

Sexton could be extended this summer. The new big money wouldn’t kick in until the 2022-2023 season(his 5th in the league) They could also just let him play out next season and then make a decision to extend him in the summer of 2022 when he will be a RFA(after his 4th season)

Garland, can be evaluated for another 1.67 to 2.67 seasons before they need to make a call on his long term future/contract here. In Garland, you are talking about a player who after only playing 5 college games has still not yet played the 82 games that most players play in their rookie seasons.

We’re fans, it’s our right to have opinions and make projection but I would just like to suggest that there is still a pretty decent amount of time to let things develop before having to make a final call on if they are both here long term or if they should be split up.

If the “real money” won’t be kicking in until 22-23 I wouldn’t extend him. 22-23 is when the Cavs are expected to have close to 37 million in cap space.

 

[MirORich]

If the “real money” won’t be kicking in until 22-23 I wouldn’t extend him. 22-23 is when the Cavs are expected to have close to 37 million in cap space.

22 offseason is next offseason and precedes the 22-23 season. Barring a trade or buyout, the full Love contract will still be on the books for that offseason.
So I don't think we will have 37M in space next offseason. Perhaps you mean in the Summer of 2023.

Curious what era of Cavs history makes you think we can use that 37M in cap space to bring in an outside FA equal to, let alone better than Sexton.

 

[Nathan S]

Sexton 2020/21: 24.3 points (.48/.37/.82 shooting), 4.4 assists, 2.8 turnovers
Beal 2017/18: 22.6 points (.46/.38/.79 shooting), 4.5 assists, 2.6 turnovers

Sexton's offensive production in his 3rd season is already at the level of Beal's offensive production in his 6th season, when he made his first All-Star game. Elite scorers like him don't grow on trees, and I don't think it's crazy to think about building an offense around him.

 

[Ozone]

I honestly don't see Sexton as all that good, and trading him would fix a lot of the Cavs problems.

I am glad you are not in charge of running the team lol Sexton is not the problem, the lack of equal level scorers besides maybe Garland who has been playing floor general or the always injured Love there is not one other scorer with Sextons ability which also makes it easier for defenses to slow him down. They trade Sexton and they are absolutely clueless

 

[MirORich]

Sexton 2020/21: 24.3 points (.48/.37/.82 shooting), 4.4 assists, 2.8 turnovers
Beal 2017/18: 22.6 points (.46/.38/.79 shooting), 4.5 assists, 2.6 turnovers

Sexton's offensive production in his 3rd season is already at the level of Beal's offensive production in his 6th season, when he made his first All-Star game. Elite scorers like him don't grow on trees, and I don't think it's crazy to think about building an offense around him.

Sucks losing the lotto game. Ball would have been a perfect longterm fit and one I think they would have selected regardless of Garland also already being here. Not sure they saw Haliburton as highly as Ball and perhaps didn't think his ceiling justified adding another PG? IDK.

The thing with Sexton that I just want the people who seem to want to him go to consider and answer is:

-What are you realistically getting in return for him. Are you trading him and what do you think is a realistic return package? Are you simply letting him walk in FA and how do replace what he brings to the table and via what means?
-If we're not spending money on our own drafted/developed young guys entering their 23-27 age pre-prime and early prime years, who exactly are we spending money on?