Week 1: Inbreds@BROWNS

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Kiser is easily the best QB we've had since the Browns return, easily, and that's after his first professional game. People saying he was bad/disappointing is baffling to me. What were you expecting? I think he played as well as you could of hoped. He didn't make a ton a bad decisions and kill any chance his team had of winning. Yeah he held onto the ball too long, but he's a 21 year old inexperienced QB, that's pretty much to be expected.

I think he showed a lot of signs, I'm pretty much sold, I think he's the guy. Of course he's got to get a lot better, but I think he will.

Agreed. I actually think it sets up well, this year is a pure learning /experience/reps year. He will take his lumps but have his moments and he will get a LOT out of it, and learn a lot about the NFL and Hues offense,

Then this upcoming draft, we're really set up to add multiple big time playmakers to pair with Kizer, as well as fill out the defense which is already going to be young and good, but we can make it more deep and versatile. Give him some young, dynamic athletic targets going into his second year, and I really think we could be moving toward a nice jump like the Titans/Raiders/Bucs have made with young QB's.

Not everything was perfect, but for the first time in a long time I have some real confidence in the direction we're moving in, from top to bottom. Front office, coaching etc. I'm not even a huge Hue fan, but if he really can develop a quarterback properly, then he's the right guy for the job at least for now. (but I AM a HUGE Gregg Williams fan....that was the best thing we've done in awhile).

Plus, Garrett is going to be a stud once he gets on the field. sure it's being delayed a couple of weeks, but he's going to play plenty once that ankle heals, he will have plenty of opportunities to develop and get reps/chase after quarterbacks and show off.

Really feeling positive about the Browns. I have season tickets in the pound, but only attended 1 game per year the last 3 years(i buy them for the family mostly, my wifes brother runs a big tailgate and loves to go and pays for half of the seats with me). But this year I've already committed to 3 home game dates and hope to go to even more than that.

Great time for Cle sports...for now...Cavs won a title, still competing...Indians are nothing short of amazing(Francona is the best...he really is)...and the Browns are showing signs of life. Glad it's finally happening in my late 30's/early 40's and not in my 80's...haha

 

[col63onel]

AFter seeing the replay of the PI...still think it's ticky tack. The TV replays showed more than the in stadium replays, but that's 50 yards for hand fighting on a ball that wasn't going to be caught anyways. Pats and Steelers get that call, maybe ODB or the Packers, but few teams get that call.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm really baffled by the criticism of Kizer. He is the youngest QB in the league, a rookie in his very first start, against the MF'ing Pittsburgh Steelers. That is all the necessary ingredients for an absolute horror show.

But that's not what happened. He never looked like he didn't belong. He never looked rattled other than in that very first series, and he immediately looked settled in his second series.

He missed some long throws, and like every rookie quarterback in history, held on the ball for too long. But he also made some smart plays, some good throws, and never once made me think that the coaches made the wrong decision in making him the starter.

He should only get better as the season goes on, so as a starting point, I was really impressed - much more so than the deer in the headlights game I expected.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

He could have been Watson, who looked really bad today too.

 

[Ohio]

That was the most fun, most enjoyable, etc Browns game I've seen in probably 10 years. Kizer is for real. The defense is for real. Still not gonna win too many games this year but this franchise is going places.

 

[Lee]

I'm really baffled by the criticism of Kizer. He is the youngest QB in the league, a rookie in his very first start, against the MF'ing Pittsburgh Steelers. That is all the necessary ingredients for an absolute horror show.

But that's not what happened. He never looked like he didn't belong. He never looked rattled other than in that very first series, and he immediately looked settled in his second series.

He missed some long throws, and like every rookie quarterback in history, held on the ball for too long. But he also made some smart plays, some good throws, and never once made me think that the coaches made the wrong decision in making him the starter.

He should only get better as the season goes on, so as a starting point, I was really impressed - much more so than the deer in the headlights game I expected.

So agree with this.

Holding the ball too long is what 100% of all rookie QB's do, why Keys and I argued against starting him.

But he looked very good for a rookie making his first start,

Besides the Britt drop, the long ball that was caught out of bounds but could of been caught in bounds with a more aware receiver.

I am very encouraged by our first game.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Holding the ball too long is what 100% of all rookie QB's do, why Keys and I argued against starting him.

The #1 reason I argued against starting him was the fanbase unfairly turning against him when Pittsburgh wins in our house and Kizer tosses a few picks and takes a ton of sacks despite good protection. Most of that didn't happen, and it's a credit to how quickly he picked everything up. Make no mistake: The franchise did NOT want to start Kizer the first half of this season when he was drafted. Kizer forced their hand by cleaning up his weaknesses so quickly. He's a special talent, no matter what the stats tell you, for suiting up in game 1.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I think its funny people think Kizer played bad.

20-30 for 220 yards, 1/1 t:i rate as the 3rd youngest QB to play EVER.

I would say we sound spoiled but thats not true....

I mean you left out the thing he did worst by omitting the sacks. Also Kessler put up good counting stats last year. Usually pretty similar to what was quoted and to be honest he gained a good bit of supporters here looking at his counting stats. I'm not going to grave dig but they are there

It has nothing to do with being spoiled. His pocket awareness has miles to go. Of those 7 sacks almost all of them were on Kizer. Now he also did other things very well and the age comment is not lost on me, but I think just quoting counting stats while leaving out stats isn't very meaningful

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Kiser is easily the best QB we've had since the Browns return, easily, and that's after his first professional game.

Ok guys seriously. This needs dialed back. There have been games significantly better than what Kizer had over a sample size of 1 game. Brady Quinn had 400 yards and 5 touchdowns one game.

There was promise there. There was also a lot of bad. I don't know why that's a bad thing to point out. A lot of you are already crowning him. He's got a long way to go

And I get he's young. But you can't use that excuse while also making statements like the one quoted (not saying you did Goldin but I'm just trying to predict what the response to my post would be)

 

[Ohio]

I think its funny people think Kizer played bad.

20-30 for 220 yards, 1/1 t:i rate as the 3rd youngest QB to play EVER.

I would say we sound spoiled but thats not true....

Did people really expect a rookie to not have rookie mistakes? It's going to happen all year. And so what? Holding the ball is easily fixable. That red zone pick is a learning experience. This is why you play him, so he can figure these things out.

Kizer is fucking legit and he did it wih no running game and garbage receiver play. God I wish we didn't get all self-righteous with Terrelle Pryor. Such a mistake, but oh well.

 

[Lee]

Did people really expect a rookie to not have rookie mistakes? It's going to happen all year. And so what? Holding the ball is easily fixable. That red zone pick is a learning experience. This is why you play him, so he can figure these things out.

Kizer is fucking legit and he did it wih no running game and garbage receiver play. God I wish we didn't get all self-righteous with Terrelle Pryor. Such a mistake, but oh well.

Not sure the pick was a rookie mistake imo. That was sick play by Watt, many qb's that make pro bowls have picks like that.

1 more legit wr, the young TE's grow more, and eliminate 3 or 4 of the sacks for holding the ball to long, and the drop and catch that ball in bounds, and we win the game and Kizer throws for 300 hards.

Seems like allot? No, one more 1st round WR (we have 2 1st round picks) and 2 more years of experience for the young team and we are beating the Pittsburgs of the world and we are a playoff team.

I see the vision for the first time in 20 years.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I'll put it this way and I think we all know it deep down

Kizer is not the first QB who has been heaped praise upon like this over a super small sample size. And I've seen the terms "finally on the right track" at the very least every other year

I need to see significant progress this year. There's promise but we have had a lot of unmaterialzed process over the years. We played a good game today. It's been followed up with a lot of people massively jumping the gun. Don't forget Pettinne's team knocked THE SHIT out of the stoolers while they were good and won 7 games. THAT was the turning point... then it wasn't

I get it, I'm scrouge. But you guys are really jumping the gun on this rebuild

 

[col63onel]

Not sure the pick was a rookie mistake imo. That was sick play by Watt, many qb's that make pro bowls have picks like that.

Nah, it was a bad throw. Even if he got it over Watt, the receiver was well covered. Looked like he just got impatient, which happens.

 

[The Oi]

I'll put it this way and I think we all know it deep down

Kizer is not the first QB who has been heaped praise upon like this over a super small sample size. And I've seen the terms "finally on the right track" at the very least every other year

I need to see significant progress this year. There's promise but we have had a lot of unmaterialzed process over the years. We played a good game today. It's been followed up with a lot of people massively jumping the gun. Don't forget Pettinne's team knocked THE SHIT out of the stoolers while they were good and won 7 games. THAT was the turning point... then it wasn't

I get it, I'm scrouge. But you guys are really jumping the gun on this rebuild

*scrooge

 

[Ohio]

Kizer is not the first QB who has been heaped praise upon like this over a super small sample size. And I've seen the terms "finally on the right track" at the very least every other year

Eh, what QB has looked like Kizer has so far? Sample size is small but he's doing things out there that quite frankly we've never seen. Other QBs had sparce "moments" but none of them made throws like Kizer makes.

Also, you just saw significant improvement. Game 1 was a better performance than any game all last season for the Browns.