Week #8 - Bring on the Stillers!!

[DJTJ]

He has a qb who excels in play action and roll outs yet keeps him in the pocket. That is bad.

Adding to this- he has a hurt, immobile QB, and makes him throw five yard outs from empty set.

The two Browns scoring drives- play action, boot, run game. Massive success under center.

Even the two where they moved it in the fourth- success from under center.

It’s inexplicable to keep shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Ohdang]

I honestly never thought I would be more upset with Jarvis Landry than Joe Woods after a Browns game, but here we are.

I was against playing Baker because of his injury and how poorly he had been playing, which I had been attributing to his injury. But I was wrong and that was the right call, he looks like he's at like 85 to 90% which is good enough, all things considered. I watched every snap of this game and there's just absolutely no way that Keenum could have done enough to win against that defense.

Baker did play well enough to win that game. It was entirely on the combination of the receivers just completely shitting themselves in crucial moments, our offensive coaching not being able to adjust to score points with the running game being shut down, and an embarrassing lack of discipline. The zebras weren't great and absolutely screwed us a few times by not calling penalties that they should have, like the late hit out of bounds on Baker, but they weren't terrible either by their standards. A lot of those penalties throughout the day were earned and the zebras are pretty much always going to miss calls in every game.

That RPO slant to Diontae Johnson at the end of the game was there all day because Woods was leaving the middle of the field wide open and doesn't understand what an adjustment is. If we had played an offense that wasn't a joke like the Steelers is with the husk of Big Ben at QB, we may have lost by 20 instead of 5. He wasn't the worst thing I saw today, and he wasn't the reason we lost, which is a nice change I guess, but Joe Woods is just not good at his job and I hope at the end of the season he gets a very in-depth performance review that he takes to heart and learns from for next year. I think he sucks, but I also know that he's young and can grow if he's self-aware, so I'm just hoping that he is. As much as I think he's been costing us games, I'm pulling for him to get his shit together rather than be fired.

 

[benchplayer]

imo this also shows how important kareem hunt is

 

[Surge]

I’d give up more than I’m proud to admit for Brandin Cooks.

Not sure how you do that, but the Landry/OBJ combo is really going to wear out patience if Landry can't carry the WR group.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Going into the season, I did think we are set with the WR room for at least this season.

Our 2 big names are just paper tigers at this point.

 

[Dr. Claw]

I’ll say this:

Today is proof of why I hate stats like “When a QB’s team is trailing in the 4th, here’s how often he brings them back.”

Baker had a great series on not just 1, but 2 potential game winning drives, and the result will still just fuel the fire that he somehow can’t bring you back or deliver when needed.

Pretty much. You already know what I'm going to say when it comes to that stat and certain QBs. It's like defense doesn't exist.

 

[kookoo]

Mayfield clearly did enough to win this game, if he gets at least average plays out of his receivers today. I would hope everyone, even the Mayfield haters, can agree on this point.

Sure. I'm saying he could have kept the momentum going earlier in the game and we could have gotten into a groove. He did enough at the end of the game. BUT, there are 4 quarters, and you're cherry picking the points he was good. He was good enough today, but there was basically a disconnect between him and the WRs. When the WRs were making the right runs, Baker sucked. When Baker was on it, the WRs sucked. Even the biggest Baker fanboys can admit that.

 

[LandofClevesMan]

Chubb doesnt look right.

 

[Dr. Claw]

The fact that Ben Roethlisberger is a Hall of Fame QB and not the nighttime manager of the Findlay Home Depot with a “Let’s Go Brandon” bumper sticker on a late model F150 is all the proof I need that there is no god.

for me it's Tom Brady being the Robert Horry of the NFL like he hasn't been sitting behind above average defenses for 20+ years. In basketball you can get away with that level of individualism, given how often a generational talent (and even more multiple, if you're THAT lucky) swings the fortunes of a team. In football? You can basically have the manager of a Menards in Harrison be your QB granted if your defense is strong enough. Before you get to the league's officiating and agendas.

that being said..... I'm more mad about this loss than any of those last season. Even the Jets game.

 

[Dr. Claw]

imo this also shows how important kareem hunt is

Absolutely. I think D'Ernest should have been used more as a change of pace, but still. Hunt is GOAT tier and not having him is a huge blow to the offense. If Chubb is off.... you need him.

 

[Dr. Claw]

Also, just a question about the Browns offense: do they even have checkdowns?

 

[Liam]

Surely bringing in Desean Jackson/Cooks can’t hurt at this point?

 

[DJTJ]

Surely bringing in Desean Jackson/Cooks can’t hurt at this point?

Adding Desean Jackson at this point would be a complete shit show

 

[redscoon]

I’m no expert, but I’ve always thought Chubb was almost too patient against good run Ds. Sometimes you just need to put your head own and get the few yards and move on If there is no hole there. That’s where Hunt excels and why he is so effective near the end zone. He was definitely missed today.

 

[Ohdang]

Not sure how you do that, but the Landry/OBJ combo is really going to wear out patience if Landry can't carry the WR group.

Unpopular opinion probably, but I'd offer D'Ernest Johnson for Cooks. I don't think we can afford to pay all 3 and while I really like him, he's a luxury and Cooks plays a position that we apparently really need to address.