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[Mac]

90% of what I said is lies, why where you the only one on your side? Why did you never prove me wrong? Not once..

I didnt make a single thing up and I didnt delete a single post. I have no problem with being wrong, I have no problem with discussing basketball til the bitter end but when your ignorance surpasses your knowledge then it gets annoying.

The Z thread is around here some here, go read it, I wasnt wrong. Not once. I didnt make anything up, not once.

You continue to spout out farces, that's what your entire post is about every time you post.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

Everyone has a different opinion. Just because someone doesn't agree with your view, doesn't mean you are right and they are wrong. Lets stop the insults and talk of "owning" (what does that mean anyways?) Could it be that both views are "right". Truth is subjective sometimes. Agree to disagree and respect all opinions.

My opinion: it's all about LeBron. Is Z a player that would complement LeBron? Z is a half court center, and we must run with LBJ. Is there a better player in the open court? He's a beast. I think it's a better fit to have an athletic center who can run, rebound, defend, block shots, and get us in transition where LeBron can create. Z is a great player and I've enjoyed watching him all these years, and you gotta respect all he's overcome. I just feel he's not the best fit for the team, would be better on a half court offense team. This is my opinion, and I respect your view if you disagree.

 

[Glen Infante]

The thing is, the run and gun teams hardly make it to the finals. It is usually the great halfcourt teams that last. Just like right now the 3 teams that are left are half court teams and the run and gun teams are sitting at home.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

Good point Infante, cool site by the way. I think it's possible to run a lot and still be a great defensive team. Good defense leads to good offense, and I'm hoping the Cavs can master both ends of the floor.

 

[Mac]

Everyone has a different opinion. Just because someone doesn't agree with your view, doesn't mean you are right and they are wrong. Lets stop the insults and talk of "owning" (what does that mean anyways?) Could it be that both views are "right". Truth is subjective sometimes. Agree to disagree and respect all opinions.

My opinion: it's all about LeBron. Is Z a player that would complement LeBron? Z is a half court center, and we must run with LBJ. Is there a better player in the open court? He's a beast. I think it's a better fit to have an athletic center who can run, rebound, defend, block shots, and get us in transition where LeBron can create. Z is a great player and I've enjoyed watching him all these years, and you gotta respect all he's overcome. I just feel he's not the best fit for the team, would be better on a half court offense team. This is my opinion, and I respect your view if you disagree.

The difference between you and the other guy is that you dont discount how good Z is.

He is basically writing Z off as a bum, which is far from the truth.

The only problem with your theory is, like infante said, running teams dont win in the playoffs. Half court teams do.

What Z brings to the half court offense for the Cavs is irreplacable...we wont find anything close to what he brings.

There isnt one big on the market that draws a double team every single time he touches the rock. He stretches the D and opens the middle for Lebron and others to operate and nobody realizes how important that is until Z is gone.

Also Z is top ten in the NBA in block shots so we have a guy that can rebound (#1 in NBA on Offensive boards, also any PF that plays next to him is basically guaranteed close to 10 boards per), block shots and defend his position well.

We all know that his help side isnt that great, but better team principal defense should eliminate that.

 

[Glen Infante]

And Mike Brown already stated that his defensive stratagies will help anyone be a better defender. I would really like to see what he can do with Zydrunas.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

The "Great Z Debate" is a tough one. I lean towards a new center, but it's a tough call, because Z is so good, and all-star centers are few. Your make good points. But I think as far as anything Cavs, you must consider the LeBron factor. As far as style of play, I think LeBron would excel more in an open court game. Sure you gotta have a half court offense too. I was too young to remember, but didn't the 80's Lakers win multiple rings with a running style?

 

[The Disector]

90% of what I said is lies, why where you the only one on your side? Why did you never prove me wrong? Not once..

I didnt make a single thing up and I didnt delete a single post. I have no problem with being wrong, I have no problem with discussing basketball til the bitter end but when your ignorance surpasses your knowledge then it gets annoying.

The Z thread is around here some here, go read it, I wasnt wrong. Not once. I didnt make anything up, not once.

You continue to spout out farces, that's what your entire post is about every time you post.

I'm not going to jump on this post because that's not what should be done but I will say this--you better go back to read the Z thread because I took out parts of what you said and proved in that same post the opposite was true and most of your arguements had nothing to do with anything I had said.

I could go back and pull out line after line of crap that you made up that I never said and I said you lied then but I can let it go but your the one who constantly keeps bringing up the Z post not I.

 

[E-Light]

I was too young to remember, but didn't the 80's Lakers win multiple rings with a running style?

The 80's L.A. lakers had kareem abdul Jabar. They could run, and they could play half court. They had great balance to their game. They were diverse. They could play any style, that's what we want to become. A balanced team. We don't want to commit fully to one style, as you saw with the suns, the superior team was the one who would play several different styles in the spurs, while the suns were stuck in their only version. the spurs could run with ginobli and parker, but could play half court with Nazir Mohammed, and Tim Duncan.

 

[Mac]

I'm not going to jump on this post because that's not what should be done but I will say this--you better go back to read the Z thread because I took out parts of what you said and proved in that same post the opposite was true and most of your arguements had nothing to do with anything I had said.

I could go back and pull out line after line of crap that you made up that I never said and I said you lied then but I can let it go but your the one who constantly keeps bringing up the Z post not I.

Youre an idiot, I have nothing to say to you. Go learn basketball and talk to me..


But to high...as ELight said, the Suns lost because they were one dimensional. They got beat up on when the Spurs went half court and they didnt know how to react when Parker, Ginobli and others started pushing the rock and playing full court D.

Duncan is certainly not a transition player, he is slow as dirt, but does that hurt their team? No.

You dont need five players to have a running team.

You also dont want to commit to one style of play for the entire game, that's how you get beat.

Mix and matching styles is what helps you win, that goes for defense as well. Throwing in the zone, match up zone, press, man confuses the defense.

Running, fast breaks, half court, motion and iso offenses confuses the defenses.

If you can build a team to keep the other team on their heals, you are never out of a game.

 

[The Disector]

Youre an idiot, I have nothing to say to you. Go learn basketball and talk to me..

Who said you knew anything about basketball???

If someone had to learn basketball they sure wouldn't discuss it with you because you'd make a big long post full of lies and jabber on about nothing that was said.--Therefore I say your the idiot.

 

[Mac]

Youre an idiot, I have nothing to say to you.

Ive ate you up way too many times to even think about what you say. Id rather discuss basketball with a 6 year old because he can hold a more intellect conversation.

 

[PIP]

if this was "z" 97-98 maybe, but he's to damn slow to play any type of transition game at his age.

either when the team makes the shot or misses it- get the ball to the point and get up the court.

oh wait........ let "z" get down here and set up on the block, or when he gets his slow ass down here, let him take the shot on the elbows of the line

make sure to get back on transition defense, if he misses, or hell even if he makes it....... we ofcourse have to wait for the lituaninan frankenstein to get back...

HE HAS SKILLS, he's not ALAN OGG --- however, for our team he has no place.

COULD YOU IMAGINE "Z" PLAYING ON PHX ?

I'M LAMO!!!!!!!! :chuckles: just thinking about it.. he would be on the first cactus out of phx.

 

[The Disector]

Youre an idiot, I have nothing to say to you.

Ive ate you up way too many times to even think about what you say. Id rather discuss basketball with a 6 year old because he can hold a more intellect conversation.

You shouldn't say anything to me,you're not on my level and the only thing you ate up was you're own dribble and made up bullcrap.

You should be discussing basketball with a 6 year old--that's more you're level and you keep saying you have nothing to say to me yet you keep on running your trap with insults and kid stuff.

 

[Glen Infante]

A-Mac/Disector

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

I am tired of clicking into this thread and only wasting my time only to see nonesense coming out of the both of you. Can we all please just have a sensible conversation without attacking each other personally? Jesus Christ it's like viewing the offical board all over again. You guys don't like each other. GET OVER IT. Continue the conversation based on the topic or this thread is done for.

Now, anyways.

The 80's L.A. lakers had kareem abdul Jabar. They could run, and they could play half court. They had great balance to their game. They were diverse. They could play any style, that's what we want to become. A balanced team. We don't want to commit fully to one style, as you saw with the suns, the superior team was the one who would play several different styles in the spurs, while the suns were stuck in their only version. the spurs could run with ginobli and parker, but could play half court with Nazir Mohammed, and Tim Duncan.

Exactly. With a player like LeBron James, he can pretty much adapt to either style, sorta like Magic Johnson. Kareem was also a bit slow footed, but the center's shouldn't be involved in the fast breaks anyhow.

When a fast break occurs, it will be nice to have a center trailing for the jumper like Z can and has been doing.