YOU PLAY the GM!!! who, and how much Do you PAY ?

[Mac]

You are by yourself on that comment, remember that.

I was the one with four people on my side saying I made you look like a fool.

Stop lieing to yourself, youre a fucking joke.

and Phoenix is out of the playoffs just like we are, look's like their running style helped a whole lot.

Running teams never win a ring, remember that.

 

[The Disector]

You are by yourself on that comment, remember that.

I was the one with four people on my side saying I made you look like a fool.

Stop lieing to yourself, youre a fucking joke.

Know what I remember--you're a liar and this is just more of the same.

 

[Glen Infante]

Running teams never win a ring, remember that.

Agreed. The best running team I ever watched was probably the New Jersey Nets, mabey about two years ago. Phil Jackson and his Lakers completely embarrassed them out of the building.

 

[PIP]

there has never been a running team with lebron james on it.
PLAYERS like LeBRON win championships..............

if you can play defense, and run, you might just be the greatest team of all time.

if phx played any type of team defense- not only would they have been champions with their running style, but they would've challenged the 72-10 record.

they lost a couple overtime (including the cavs) games, and several close games.

you can't say because a team runs they wont be champions, i don't care if a team has won it that way or not. (a first time for everything)

but what i don't understand is, we all know that lebron plays better on the break as opposed to the half court game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so why not cater to that....

 

[NarlCavs]

Well you better get used to some halfcourt basketball since that's most likely the way our new coach will be playing it. M. Brown is supposedly bringing the style the Pacers mainly played with him and what he learned under both Carlisle and Popovich. They play primarily halfcourt basketball.


I think we've had enough of the Z arguments here lately. They're getting out of control.
The only thing I'll say is who exactly can the Cavs get any better or would come a lot cheaper than Z? A C like Dalembert is not going to come cheap. It will probably cost as much to replace Z as it will to keep him and we also won't be able to replace his production.
If you get rid of Z than you also have to find a big upgrade at PF. A team that plans to use Gooden as it's primary low post threat and inside scorer isn't going anywhere.

The Cavs main defensive problems were on the perimeter. The defense can also improve if a better system is put in place.

 

[Glen Infante]

Why can't we just be versitile to both half court and the run game? Why do we have to be strickly a running team?

Once a half court team slows the games down, and we end up playing their style of play instead of running, we are screwed. Look what it did to the Suns, look what it did to Dallas, Sacramento and New Jersey.

 

[Marty Mar]

 

[E-Light]

so why not cater to that[refering to uptempo team]....

Why not:? This is why. You can't have an 'running' team and a defensive team. An up tempo team is about getting as many shots as possible, and as quickly as possible. This leads to defensive brain farts, and allowing people to score rather than foul, so the game doesn't stop, and slow it down. Don't confuse fast breaks with being an uptempo team.

Defensive teams aren't up tempo. A defensive team gets back on defense, lives by the scheme/system, does not break their responsibilities, and defends the paint, and contests all shots.

Up tempo teams do not live by defensive values, they live by concentrating fully on how to score as much as possible.

What you really want is a defensive team that pressures and forces a lot of turn overs that lead to 3-1/3-2 fast breaks. This is the kind of 'up tempo' game we would want to play when we do, we don't want an up tempo team philosophy. Up tempo teams do NOT value defense.

Look at the spurs, they can be an up tempo team, BUT they refuse to play that way. Why!? Because they value DEFENSE! To play an uptempo game you sacrafice defense. In an up tempo game you live off of scoring points, not stopping the opponent.

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if phx played any type of team defense

If they played solid team defense that takes hinders their style of play. You can't defend properly if your style of play is to run out on every offensive possesion.

There is a difference between fast breaks, and playing up tempo on offense. Up tempo teams will not live off of their defense to score points, they push the ball and push the ball up the court, they try to out score you, not stop you.

LeBron is an uptempo player, BUT for him to be true dominant player he has to learn to value defense more, rather than sacrafice defense to run out as he always does. You saw how he always gambled for steals, that's what up tempo teams do, they don't play solid defense, they do thing against that like play the passing lanes, and run out rather than go secure the defensive board. lebron showed no understanding of team defense, and maintaining responsibility. LeBron showed what NOT to do, rather than what to do defensively.

 

[PIP]

Why can't we just be versitile to both half court and the run game? Why do we have to be strickly a running team?

Once a half court team slows the games down, and we end up playing their style of play instead of running, we are screwed. Look what it did to the Suns, look what it did to Dallas, Sacramento and New Jersey.

infante.. i like that point of being versitile. i don't have a problem playing a bit of halfcourt.. but as long as lebron's a young player, running needs to be our ammo.

we can't play a halfcourt game if were going to cater the offense around lebron.. because as it's been talked about, if we play halfcourt ? we're gonna have to implement a pick n roll style of offense.. this offense doesn't suit our big man because of his lack of speed and mobility.

if we keep "z" and play a halfcourt game, then the offense is gonna half to be centered around him, and caters to what he does best, and that eliminates the pick n roll, or the pick n pop.

but the style the suns played didn't ultimatley hurt them in the end. it was strickly their defense. the spurs played the suns style, and beat them at it- because they play a better brand of team defense.

plus guys like MARION, Q-RICH also struggled that whole series.. but when the suns even went half court and just gave amare the ball they were steal scoring at will with the nash/amare pick n roll.

we can't do that here (which is sad, with that # 23 guy we have on our team)

 

[PIP]

Why not:? This is why. You can't have an 'running' team and a defensive team. An up tempo team is about getting as many shots as possible, and as quickly as possible. This leads to defensive brain farts, and allowing people to score rather than foul, so the game doesn't stop, and slow it down. Don't confuse fast breaks with being an uptempo team.

Defensive teams aren't up tempo. A defensive team gets back on defense, lives by the scheme/system, does not break their responsibilities, and defends the paint, and contests all shots.

Up tempo teams do not live by defensive values, they live by concentrating fully on how to score as much as possible.

What you really want is a defensive team that pressures and forces a lot of turn overs that lead to 3-1/3-2 fast breaks. This is the kind of 'up tempo' game we would want to play when we do, we don't want an up tempo team philosophy. Up tempo teams do NOT value defense.

Look at the spurs, they can be an up tempo team, BUT they refuse to play that way. Why!? Because they value DEFENSE! To play an uptempo game you sacrafice defense. In an up tempo game you live off of scoring points, not stopping the opponent.

I like this



If they played solid team defense that takes hinders their style of play. You can't defend properly if your style of play is to run out on every offensive possesion.

There is a difference between fast breaks, and playing up tempo on offense. Up tempo teams will not live off of their defense to score points, they push the ball and push the ball up the court, they try to out score you, not stop you.

LeBron is an uptempo player, BUT for him to be true dominant player he has to learn to value defense more, rather than sacrafice defense to run out as he always does. You saw how he always gambled for steals, that's what up tempo teams do, they don't play solid defense, they do thing against that like play the passing lanes, and run out rather than go secure the defensive board. lebron showed no understanding of team defense, and maintaining responsibility. LeBron showed what NOT to do, rather than what to do defensively.

i know what your saying.. but you can't be seriously trying to tell me that, you can't play solid on ball defense and rotate for help defense without still pushing the ball per play down the court for an up tempo style ..

play great "d" and whether or not they score ? either get the ball off the miss and go, or take out the rim on the makes and get the ball down the court..

the key is the transition "d", due to the fact uptempo teams seem to have the long rebounds.

but if you have quick athletes such as a, "THE KING" or guys like t. prince (see the reggie miller block) there is certainly ways it can be done.

 

[Kypus]

Why can't we just be versitile to both half court and the run game? Why do we have to be strickly a running team?

I think last year we were enough threat in transition to keep defenses honest. It will be harder this year without McInnis.

Most of our running last year was transition between Lebron and McInnis. Jeff is gone now. The only other 2 people that I even remember running on the break were DrewDrew and Newble, and they didn't get the ball much to finish. These aren't transition stats per se, but from watching the games, we know that's where a lot of these buckets came from:

2-1 FGM 1-2 FGM Total FGM
PHO Nash Marion 22 215 237
PHO Nash Stoudemire 10 211 221
NJN Kidd Carter 48 143 191
SAC Bibby Webber 72 117 189
CLE McInnis James 92 97 189

http://www.82games.com/feeders.htm

We aren't a running team now, and it doesn't sound like Mike Brown will push it either. If Snow can remember to get the ball out in front of Lebron, we'll be strong enough in transition to keep it from being a teamwide weak point.

Eric Snow is an efficiency PG, good assist-turnover ratio, etc. His game is built for halfcourt play. Fortunately Lebron is so fast in transition that a good lob out front from Snow should keep us OK in that department.

 

[E-Light]

The problem with what you are saying is you combine 2 different philosophies that have conflicts of interest. Like I said what you want is a team that takes advantage of fast break opportunities from strong defense that forces the offense into bad plays. What you don't want is to try and patch together oil, and water. You can't play strong defense when you're offensive philosophy is to run out, because running out every play causes break downs in your transition defense.

For example, look at when the spurs tried to emulate te suns in certain parts of games, suns were pushing and pushing, and the spurs decided because the suns were pushing and pushing they could get easy transition baskets. The problem was when the spurs would force tempo and run up court, they were playing right into the hands of the suns strategy. When the suns would push right back, the spurs weren't all back on defense, because they were too busy forcing the ball up the court, and trying for easy baskets. The spurs offense was not as deadly as the suns, therefore when the spurs would try to emulate the suns offensive game plan they would get burned defensively because running out left breaches in their transition defense.

up tempo teams aren't good defensive teams by nature. When you try and play up tempo you will get burned a fair share of times. It leads to sloppy play as well when you try and force the action, causing more turnovers, which lead to easy baskets for the opposing team.

i'm sure several teams will try and match what the suns are doing next year, and they will fail miserably because their offense will not be powerful enough to make up for what an up tempo game gives up defensively.

 

[PIP]

The problem with what you are saying is you combine 2 different philosophies that have conflicts of interest. Like I said what you want is a team that takes advantage of fast break opportunities from strong defense that forces the offense into bad plays. What you don't want is to try and patch together oil, and water. You can't play strong defense when you're offensive philosophy is to run out, because running out every play causes break downs in your transition defense.

For example, look at when the spurs tried to emulate te suns in certain parts of games, suns were pushing and pushing, and the spurs decided because the suns were pushing and pushing they could get easy transition baskets. The problem was when the spurs would force tempo and run up court, they were playing right into the hands of the suns strategy. When the suns would push right back, the spurs weren't all back on defense, because they were too busy forcing the ball up the court, and trying for easy baskets. The spurs offense was not as deadly as the suns, therefore when the spurs would try to emulate the suns offensive game plan they would get burned defensively because running out left breaches in their transition defense.

up tempo teams aren't good defensive teams by nature. When you try and play up tempo you will get burned a fair share of times. It leads to sloppy play as well when you try and force the action, causing more turnovers, which lead to easy baskets for the opposing team.

i'm sure several teams will try and match what the suns are doing next year, and they will fail miserably because their offense will not be powerful enough to make up for what an up tempo game gives up defensively.

i get what your're saying- and all your points make sense to me.. i'm not going to be stubborn and disagree with them just to disagree.

we shall see what happens- i just don't believe our big man is the right fit for our team... there is no need to explain why, i imagine all of us are tired of the same argument over and over again...

"i'll shake on it"

 

[Glen Infante]

we can't play a halfcourt game if were going to cater the offense around lebron.. because as it's been talked about, if we play halfcourt ? we're gonna have to implement a pick n roll style of offense.. this offense doesn't suit our big man because of his lack of speed and mobility.

Pick and roll isn't too bad with Zydrunas since he has that mid range jumper. Tim Duncan and Tony Parker do it all the time. I also see Z doing that alot, and when his jumper is ON, the pick and roll is a good way to get Z involved on offense.

Or should I say, pick and POP.

 

[PIP]

WELL INFANTE,

if it's on ? we're on.. IF IT'S NOT ? "WE'RE SCREWED"