Y'all mofos need Jesus

seasoned vet said:

the question every atheist asks that gets answered a million times over again just for it to go beyond their understanding for them to ask it again. here we go:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness

i already said above that atheists dont understand God because they dont understand that life is 99% spiritual and 1% physical. God is a spirit. a guiding Spirit.

yes man PHYSICALLY wrote it, but God is the spiritual author.

so if i talked to you and told you what to write, say we were writing a book together, but everything you wrote is what i told you, then are YOU the AUTHOR? no, those are not your thoughts, those are not your ideas, not your words. you wrote what i told you to write.

1 John 4:4 You are from God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

why is it whenever atheists and christians come together, the atheists asks a whole bunch of questions, the christians do a whole bunch of explaining, yet the atheist never acknowledges the explanations? and never answers the christians answers? because they are foolish.

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He asked you a question about the legitimacy of your translation. Then you quote him verses from your translation that he is addressing as evidence that what you are saying is true.. Do you see the problem with this line of thinking?

guys, stop feeding the troll.

ewizacft said:

Can you tell me what you do believe about the New Testament? Also why do you believe those things, but exclude the miracles?

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Definitely. In my next post after this one.

Before that though, I want to address seasoned vet...

seasoned, if you're a troll you are a fantastic one. I mean what the hell troll knows the Bible this well and has the energy to post so wildly and grammatically poorly? Takes more energy for me to post with bad grammar than it does to just post regularly. Great back story as well. Excellent troll if that's what it was.

If not...

I gotta say...you're all over the map from my POV. I hope that you're a nice guy in real life and aren't the unreasonable cultish type that you're coming off as on here. That type of mentality is at worst dangerous and at best very difficult to relate to.

I'll say again that religion has done wonderful things for better men and women than me. Assuming that in your life off the internet your religion/faith causes you to do well by other people and makes you a better person...that's fantastic.

But you and I are going to be so far off on our beliefs that I'm going to have to drop out of that debate. The more you've elaborated on your beliefs...I just don't see anything constructive coming out of discussing this with you.

So to close it out with a compliment...I respect that you are a faithful person and are entitled to your opinion.

What the hell is going on in this thread?

ewiz...

I am willing to accept information that comes from the New Testament that reads objectively, like a history book. I think there's an agenda even to history books, so I am hesitant to saying I'm ALL that confident that it's true. But most of the way through, it reads pretty reasonable.

Best put, all passages that read like Christ being an extraordinary human being who lived his life as close to perfect as any human being had before, I can buy. I see no reason to believe that there wasn't a man named Jesus Christ that was an extraordinary person, or that he helped others and lectured and bravely went against the grain in a crumbling society.

Anything that's described in the Bible that the last 2000+ years of science would prove impossible, I do not believe. And I feel that way because I don't believe that the person called Jesus of Nazareth was the son of God and I strongly doubt that God exists. And I feel that way about Jesus and God, because all empirical evidence I'm exposed to points me to that conclusion.

Put it this way...if you could SHOW me evidence of God doing something NOW that either myself or others whom I trust could perceive, I'd be open to further consideration. I accept a fair amount of information from history books as being true, because the sources have proven reasonable. I feel it's only fair that if I'm willing to accept other history from that time that why shouldn't I accept, or at least be open to history that was reported from that time by other sources? So the tone of the reading plays a part. If it seems like history, maybe it's history.

Above anything else though, I trust the scientific community to get things right. Science is specifically set up to prove itself wrong and there's a million fail-safes in place and a great deal of intelligent people champing at the bit to prove new theories wrong. It seems to me that the vast majority of the time that research reaches the general public, it's gone through so much scrutiny that if it's not true, the truth will come out shortly after.

Everything I've seen from a scientific basis indicates to me that there should be some physical evidence of God existing or an explanation of how someone could achieve things that are impossible. Show me scientifically how water could be turned to wine with the touch of a hand or food could multiply in seconds. What would physically need to happen to someone to cure blindness at the snap of a finger? Apply that to any and all of the miracles. If there's not a scientific explanation for how something happened, I don't believe it happened. If someone says "there's no rational explanation for why this happened," with enough research an explanation is nearly always given for what happened all the way down to a cellular level when it involves people living through gruesome accidents for example.

I've just not seen anything that sways me farther towards believing something that has no concrete proof of itself than from not believing it exists.

Deezus said:

I'm not questioning the existence of a god.

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seasoned vet said:

the question every atheist asks that gets answered a million times over again just for it to go beyond their understanding for them to ask it again. here we go:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness

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Stop calling me an atheist after I clearly just said that I'm not questioning the existence of god. I'd also like to point out how you infer that those who have different views/opinions/beliefs than you (you call them atheists) somehow lack the ability to understand the scripture you quoted in bold. This is a perfect example of vain, arrogant, un-Christian behavior. "Oh yes, I've figured it all out and its just beyond the understanding of any of those that disagree with me."

The best part, though, was when you completely failed to address my question regarding the purity of the content in the bible by quoting a verse from it that just basically says "all of this is from god." Do you not see the problem with that logic?

ok so since i been doing all the explaining and answering questions, let me ask some questions, and i want answers.

1st of all, how do you claim to be a christian and believe evolution at the same time? do you realize that the theories of evolution go against Gods Word? to be a christian, means to believe the One who sent the Christ, Jesus, His Father. if you deny His word, then you deny Him. simple as that. so i would like some explaining how you claim to believe both. that is being a double agent.

2- prove to me evolution is true. it is NOT true. nobody ever witnessed evolution. its a bunch of theories. so please, explain to me how evolution is true.
if you cant put it simply, then you dont know it well enough. and if it cant be explained simply, then chances are (not saying its a chance that its true to begin with) you believe a lie. you know the lie is sold in the explaining / reasoning.

3- explain to me how intelligence evolved from nothing. how did NOTHING evolve to ..... ALL OF THIS INTELLIGENCE AND ORDER. not only in this world, but our solar system, our galaxy, our universe. you think this masterpiece is 1 big accident?

there is reason for everything. to claim there is no reason is illogical.

oh i got more questions. im expecting answers.

Can I ask a question here...

Why can you appropriately capitalize words like Him and His when referring to God but you can't capitalize the first word in a sentence?

Theories can become possibilities/realities.

I'm not questioning God or anything. Like Deezus, I'm not questioning the existence of God.

So, stop calling people "so called Christians." (and attacking people in the process)
Don't question people's belief and religion.

Can't you accept the fact people believe in other things than you do?

Not saying I believe the whole humans evolved from apes thing.

I feel like you need everyone to agree with you....

seasoned vet said:

ok so since i been doing all the explaining and answering questions, let me ask some questions, and i want answers.

1st of all, how do you claim to be a christian and believe evolution at the same time? do you realize that the theories of evolution go against Gods Word? to be a christian, means to believe the One who sent the Christ, Jesus, His Father. if you deny His word, then you deny Him. simple as that. so i would like some explaining how you claim to believe both. that is being a double agent.

2- prove to me evolution is true. it is NOT true. nobody ever witnessed evolution. its a bunch of theories. so please, explain to me how evolution is true.
if you cant put it simply, then you dont know it well enough. and if it cant be explained simply, then chances are (not saying its a chance that its true to begin with) you believe a lie. you know the lie is sold in the explaining / reasoning.

3- explain to me how intelligence evolved from nothing. how did NOTHING evolve to ..... ALL OF THIS INTELLIGENCE AND ORDER. not only in this world, but our solar system, our galaxy, our universe. you think this masterpiece is 1 big accident?

there is reason for everything. to claim there is no reason is illogical.

oh i got more questions. im expecting answers.

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I'm not sure why I'm jumping in here but oh well here we go...

1st question- I'm not a Christian and I have serious doubts about the existence of any God. So I can't specifically answer this question for you. Others I'm sure can.

2nd- I cannot prove evolution is true just like you can't prove the existence of God. I believe evolution to be true just like you believe in the existence of a higher power. I believe in evolution because it seems reasonable to me. I can see evidence of small and large changes in species including humans through such things as fossil records and can understand where the theory comes from.

3rd: How it all started is a mystery to me. The idea of cosmic dust bonding together to form primitive life forms which then evolved to what we see now is a lot to digest. However; so is the theory that some being has always been there and created everything. Where did God come from anyway? If you are going to ask the question how did intelligent life evolve from nothing, others can ask where did God come from.

I'm good with people having different opinions than me. In fact I encourage it because it helps me learn by seeing another side of the story. You are coming off as someone who cannot accept other opinions and therefore they are to be dismissed. I don't agree with that. I'm happy that you enjoy your beliefs and are strong in them, however your strong beliefs don't make my beliefs incorrect they are just different and that's ok.

seasoned vet said:

ok so since i been doing all the explaining and answering questions, let me ask some questions, and i want answers.

1st of all, how do you claim to be a christian and believe evolution at the same time? do you realize that the theories of evolution go against Gods Word? to be a christian, means to believe the One who sent the Christ, Jesus, His Father. if you deny His word, then you deny Him. simple as that. so i would like some explaining how you claim to believe both. that is being a double agent.

2- prove to me evolution is real. it is NOT true. nobody ever witnessed evolution. its a bunch of theories. so please, explain to me how evolution is true.
if you cant put it simply, then you dont know it well enough. and if it cant be explained simply, then chances are (not saying its a chance that its true to begin with) you believe a lie. you know the lie is sold in the explaining / reasoning.

3- explain to me how intelligence evolved from nothing. how did NOTHING evolve to ..... ALL OF THIS INTELLIGENCE AND ORDER. not only in this world, but our solar system, our galaxy, our universe. you think this masterpiece is 1 big accident?

there is reason for everything. to claim there is no reason is illogical.

oh i got more questions. im expecting answers.

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1. Because evolution in no way says that I don't believe in God. I can believe in God and also believe that he set in motion the mechanisms that cause evolution. The Old Testament isn't a documentary of what exactly happened. Most of it is just an allegory.

2. Prove to me that God is true. You can't. Don't show me an ancient book written by men that are supposedly representing the word of God. Science is based on fact. Religion is based on faith. One can be proven and tested. The other cannot. I'm saying this as a Catholic too.

3. As Neil deGrasse Tyson said "It's ok to not know all the answers. It's better to admit our ignorance than to believe answers that might be wrong. Pretending to know everything closes the door to finding out what's really there." I understand a lot about evolution, the big bang, the mechanisms of life, but that doesn't mean I don't have questions about how everything came to be. And that's ok. Science and God aren't enemies, they're only made to appear that way by extreme atheists and extreme religious bible thumpers.

Deezus said:

Stop calling me an atheist after I clearly just said that I'm not questioning the existence of god. I'd also like to point out how you infer that those who have different views/opinions/beliefs than you (you call them atheists) somehow lack the ability to understand the scripture you quoted in bold. This is a perfect example of vain, arrogant, un-Christian behavior. "Oh yes, I've figured it all out and its just beyond the understanding of any of those that disagree with me."

The best part, though, was when you completely failed to address my question regarding the purity of the content in the bible by quoting a verse from it that just basically says "all of this is from god." Do you not see the problem with that logic?

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how do you claim to be a christian, but dont believe Gods word? you dont believe what God is capable of? so are you questioning Gods power?

let me tell you like this-

God is in complete control over your life. even when you make mistakes, He is right there still working on your life. you cant breath without Him. your breath lies in the palm of His hand. thats why every breath you take is a blessing because life is not promised.

ok, so He is in complete control of your life, and what life presents to you, the opportunities that arise, the job you got, the money you make, the people who help you, the strings that were pulled behind the scenes that set up everything that your life is now, God worked and set up everything about your life. without God, there is no order. there is nothing but order. i have seen how He worked in my life. His blessings are real. His avenues He makes are real. He makes something out of NOTHING. Praise God. i experienced it myself. i can testify as a witness, God is capable and does great things.

but look, I am not the only life He controls, YOU are not the only life He is in control of.. there are about 7-8 BILLION people in this world...

lets talk about multi-tasking real quick.

how much can you do at the same time and do a thorough job doing? you cant efficiently to the best of your ability do 2 things at 1 time. this is a fact. we are not capable of even multi-tasking effectively. i mean we can, but its not the best of our ability to multi-task. the tasks are not done in a thorough fashion.

but God is in control over 7-8 BILLION lives at the SAME TIME. constantly working. never sleeping. knows everything thats going on every moment of every day... thats a very powerful God. but it dont stop there.

-the earth is 3,959 miles in radius. or 196.9 million square miles.

-the sun is 864,400 miles across.. in other words, 1,300,000 earths can fit in the sun.

-the largest star known to man is called the "Pistol Star".. it is 100 times as big as the sun and 10,000,000 times as bright.

-theres approximately 50 BILLION stars in our galaxy alone.

-there is an estimated HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of galaxies in the universe..

not only did GOD MAKE ALL OF THIS, but He knows EVERY star / planet by name. let that sink in for a minute...

God is the creator of ALL of this.. He is in control of ALL of this.. now tell me why you dont believe miracles performed? do you realize how little those miracles are that you dont believe? if you dont believe those miracles, then you really dont know God and you can not claim to be a christian if you dont even know who you claim as a faith, as a savior. you dont believe Him, therefore, you dont claim Him.

whats impossible to you, is done by a spoken word by God. what a mighty God He is. you should really get to know Him.

If God is in complete control of my life and everyone else's then he is doing a fucked up job of making this world a peaceful place.

lol if you read the Bible, you know, that ancient book, thats still relevant today? it has everything in it you need to know about life. from the good, to the bad, to the ugly.

God never said life is going to be perfect. God never said the world will be peaceful, at least not until the Lord returns and the world is made new again. God said EVERYTHING that is going on in the world today.. God knows exactly what Hes doing. He lets things happen, and He prevents things from happening. but thats not your responsibility. thats for Him to handle.

seasoned vet said:

lol if you read the Bible, you know, that ancient book, thats still relevant today? it has everything in it you need to know about life. from the good, to the bad, to the ugly.

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Including lines telling me how to beat my slaves or stoning a girl to death for not being a virgin? Glad that God thought I needed to know that and that those things are still relevant today.