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Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

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Can you spot the how many of our players are in the wrong place ?

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Blatt can't believe it either.

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Click below for the full play if you are a masochist, or for the full Blatt reaction.
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It's as if we're plaing zone against the paint or against ghosts.
 
I'm not really sure because they'd be giving up the two best players in the deal and we have one draft pick of value to offer. I don't think its plausible to get both of those guys.

you might be able to get both of them if you include Dion (which you have to do anyway to match salaries) and i'm not sure if that's a good deal for the Cavs with Afflalo having a player option after the year (he's basically a lock to opt out imo).
 
Can you spot the how many of our players are in the wrong place ?

nyhmyQS.jpg


Blatt can't believe it either.

kwQ3Ceq.png


Click below for the full play if you are a masochist, or for the full Blatt reaction.
http://on.nba.com/1x6PUPK

I remember this play and I remember saying to myself "this is the problem with playing Mike Miller and James Jones huge minutes." Miller is too slow to recover effectively and Jones is too slow to rotate. The fact that we have resorted to playing both of them at the same time tells you the type of situation we're in.

That said, Mike Miller had no business being that far down, almost on the baseline. It's Thompson's job to rotate over if Kyrie gets beat. Miller is basically in no man's land. He's not actually double teaming and he's too far to get back to his man.
 
you might be able to get both of them if you include Dion (which you have to do anyway to match salaries) and i'm not sure if that's a good deal for the Cavs with Afflalo having a player option after the year (he's basically a lock to opt out imo).

This and I don't really know about Affalo.

He's not shooting the threeball well this year. He's been a net negative on court for the past 6 seasons. He's +.9 per 100 possessions this year. Henhasnt been a great defender this year and was pretty bad last year.
 
This and I don't really know about Affalo.

He's not shooting the threeball well this year. He's been a net negative on court for the past 6 seasons. He's +.9 per 100 possessions this year. Henhasnt been a great defender this year and was pretty bad last year.

He's been playing as the #1 scoring option for going on basically 3 years now. He's not suited for that role. He'd be asked to do a lot less here and I think he'd go back to being a positive contribution. I just feel like that trade makes the most sense. Short of some 3 team deal where we grab a wing/big, it just feels like this is an area where we could save Denver some cash in the long run, give them a pick and a promising younger wing, and they can continue on their treadmill of WTF are we doing.
 
The front office has some work to do finding a starting shooting guard for cheap at the deadline. No way I feel comfortable with Miller at that position. We need matrix off the bench too.

I was watching the Pistons the other day and wonder if they would take a 2nd rounder and tpe to give us butler. I cant think of any others at the moment, but there are some other diamonds in the rough somewhere. Griffin needs to find one.

Trading house for a guy like affalo won't make us that much better
 
Yup.

It's a world view he shared with Chris Grant that size is not important.

The 2 easiest positions in the NBA to fill are the low skill energy big and the undersized inefficient combo guard with a low BB-IQ.

The league is over-run with those guys.

We used a pair of #4 picks for the easiest kind of players to find instead of drafting centers.

There was no value in either of those picks just from a shear scarcity standpoint as it was always going to be harder to find a Val/Drummond/legit center than a Dion/TT type.

The fact that Griffin was involved in that type of backwards thinking and wasting of scarce resources should have disqualified him outright for this job.

Center should have been a top priority the second you knew you were bringing in Love. The entire world knows he is so soft he makes Charmin look like 24 grit sandpaper. That was a "known known" and it was just completely ignored.

Now we find ourselves in a position where the league knows we're desperate, which raises the price.

Waiting until the off-season is great, but I continue to be baffled by this idea that teams will be lining up to give us a productive center worth having in exchange for Haywood's contract.

Every other team in the league realizes how vital it is to have a solid center, so if they are looking to save money it will be on another position that can be more easily replaced.

If we needed to clear cap room, it should have been Dion or TT to go instead of Zeller as finding a center to even match his production was going to be impossible.

It will make the Dion supporters butt hurt, but he is Rodney Stuckey with a bad attitude and nothing more. At this point it's actually arguable as to whether he is a poor man's Stuckey.

Griffin though once again has a distorted world view that doesn't find value in size, so he doesn't think the way a normal person would about how you go about replacing a young 7 footer with something comparable given the resources you have to work with.

The same mistakes keep being made and their is no accountability. Firing people in this organization is nothing more than a reward for their underlings the way Gilbert runs the place.

The team's biggest problem is David Griffin, and he needs to be shown the door.

The same band who failed to see Grant for what he was will no doubt call for more time, but Griffin is what he is and just like with Grant all time is going to do is be wasted so the few holdouts can realize 2 years from now what most of us already know tonight.

Griffin sucks. The average fan thinks oh well he signed Lebron and traded for Love he must be gm of the year!

He even gave away 2 first round picks that he didn't have to making those moves. Its such a joke the love this guy gets. I can't wait to see him mess up the team even worse at the deadline
 
He even gave away 2 first round picks that he didn't have to making those moves. Its such a joke the love this guy gets. I can't wait to see him mess up the team even worse at the deadline

How do you know? Do you have a source? I know this is a rant thread, but this is so baseless, no proof this is true.

This team is struggling as their is no leader yet. You have a group of vets and a group of youngens that have not been able to gell. This is on the coach and FO.
 
Guys, we need the Nuggets to keep losing.

An Afflalo/Mozgov trade fills all our holes. It gives you a solid 3&D wing player that can score in bunches, along with your defensive center to anchor the defense and protect the rim.

You tell me what you gotta do to make that happen, but that's the trade we should be shooting for. If you're able to push Marion, Miller, and Tristan all to bench roles, the bench scoring won't suffer from the loss of Dion. Use that disabled exception to sign someone like Emeka or RayRay and give them more money than anyone else can... It seems so damn simple, but it takes 2 to tango. How do I convince Denver to make this trade happen?

If we're keeping Marion, Miller and TT who is going out in that trade? That's the biggest hurdle.

I think Denver is willing to blow their team up but Moz (4.65) and Afflalo (7.56) make 12.1 million combined.

We don't have the pieces to make that happen. We can absorb Mozgov with the trade exception but we don't have an asset that matches AA. We'd need a third team but we don't have much to offer, unless we're moving Waiters in a deal.

TT we almost have to hang on to at this point. We're so thin in the front court that it's hard for me to envision a scenario where we don't just end up overpaying the only young big we have that is worth a shit (relatively speaking). That really leaves Dion, Memphis pick and our trade exception as the only pieces we can realistically move this year.
 
He was traded as a necessary part of the trade that created the ability to sign LeBron.

But week after week we have to hear that he was "given away" as if after we had LeBron and Love we just passed him off to another team for some quick cash.

and Tyler freaking Zeller at that. We have no idea how he would even be doing on this team offensively or defensively. It's pure speculation that serves zero purpose.


This is bullshit. We gave a 7 footer who was money from 20 feet in LAST year away. Yes, we gave him away. Jack and Karasev was enough salary to sign Lebron. So it cost us Zeller, Karasev AND a first rounder to move Jack???? Good God that is terrible negotiating.

We would have been better off attaching the Memphis pick to jack and keeping Karasev and Zeller (who by the way is severely outplaying Koufos the guy many want us to trade for. Karasev AND Zeller would have thrived playing off of Lebron.

Ugh the mistakes over the last 4 years are too many to count.
 
rumor has it that zeller wasn't a great guy in the locker room.

i think it's his face, it's very snotty and punchable.
 
Should've kept Wiggins. Someone would have taken a flyer on Bennett. When we got LeBron we should have still collected more assets and/or cashed in on smaller but more valuable pieces. A 3 and D guy and a center to add to Kyrie, Dion, AW, LBJ, AV, and TT would have created a great, 10 deep team. The blockbuster Love trade made us more fragile than ever, and ever-reliant on aging vets.

Do you not think that lebron signed off on the love trade? I'm not privy to the situation, but it's at least plausible that love was what even got him here.


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Do you not think that lebron signed off on the love trade? I'm not privy to the situation, but it's at least plausible that love was what even got him here.


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If that's the case, I hope we get fined heavily for tampering. I'd love to see LeBron run a team after he retires. I doubt he'd be a better guy than MJ.
 
As bad as people say our offense is and how Lebron doesn't run the sets Blatt calls etc we still have the 4th best offense in the league. Our defense on the other hand is 22nd. I know we have deficiencies with individual defense but you can't honestly tell me those Mike Brown led defensive teams had better defenders than we have now . We seem to get worse every game on the defensive end Kyrie is no longer pressuring the ball like he was in the middle of November to Mid December. We don't have trust in our rotations and we make fundamental mistakes on defense that a high school coach teaches his players.
 
Griffin was too tainted by Grant to have been a viable candidate for GM.

I would have thought Gilbert would have learned after promoting Grant after firing Ferry that taking their underling and giving them the job is just a promotion of the status quo.

Griffin shares Chris Grant's philosophy that size/length/athleticism aren't important, and his roster moves reflect that.

Griffin philosophically doesn't believe in a dominant center. He was exposed to that in Phoenix and then was mated with Chris Grant who was the king of avoiding bigs like the plague.

Griffin learned all the wrong lessons from Grant and is now repeating them again.

Firing Grant was the opportunity Dan needed to clear the building out of any remnants of the Ferry/Grant regime, and instead he chose to double down on the same backwards philosophy that size and athleticism have no place in the modern NBA game.

The outright refusal for 4 years now to even attempt to put a legitimate NBA center on this roster is heinous and unconscionable.

You are missing the forest for the trees...all of your angst is wildly misdirected.

Look, Dan Gilbert has been the de facto GM for the last few seasons. If CG had his way we would have had Jonas instead of TT, Gasol instead of Bynum, no Jarret Jack, no Luol Deng, the Bennett pick would've been traded...I could go on. And it wasn't just the bad decisions that were forced on mgmt that were so painful. It was then having to waste VERY valuable assets to undo Gilbert's mistakes that was the double whammy.

If Dan really wants to clean house, then he should do what all successful organizations do - let the basketball people make the basketball decisions!! Meddling owners have gotten us where we are today. Dan is an outstanding owner when it comes to some things, when it comes to player personnel decisions, Dan, Tan and Bald are just awful and should keep their hands off.
 

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