2014-15 Off-Season Thread (Moss Acquired - Page 16)

EdMonix11 said:

Per Hoynsie, Tribe still pursuing Dayan Viciedo.....

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Pass.

MoFlo said:

Is there any fan base in baseball that has as many complaints about their team signing guys to no risk, non-guaranteed deals as Indians fans do?

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Yes.

Every team's fans do the same stuff. They're all people. They just live in different towns.

The Oi said:

Yes.

Every team's fans do the same stuff. They're all people. They just live in different towns.

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Every team's fans have people who do, fewer have a bigger percentage of those fans than Cleveland.

Nothing major but the Indians made a subtle change to the shade of navy blue they use on their Chief Wahoo caps.

The Indians switched from a 'deep cobalt' navy to a 'blue nights' navy on both. The 'deep cobalt' made the hats look blue-ish purple in certain lights. Now the cap is a darker navy like the block 'C' cap.

(Old home cap)


(New home cap)


(Old road alt. cap)


(New road alt. cap)

EdMonix11 said:

Nothing major but the Indians made a subtle change to the shade of navy blue they use on their Chief Wahoo caps.

The Indians switched from a 'deep cobalt' navy to a 'blue nights' navy on both. The 'deep cobalt' made the hats look blue-ish purple in certain lights. Now the cap is a darker navy like the block 'C' cap.

(Old home cap)

(New home cap)

(Old road alt. cap)

(New road alt. cap)

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DISCOUNT DOLANZ

Pretty comfortable where this team is at. Wouldn't mind bullpen help.

I actually think their offense will be fine, I just am concerned the staff may not live up to this huge hype they have.

AZ_ said:

Every team's fans have people who do, fewer have a bigger percentage of those fans than Cleveland.

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Ok. Prove it.

That's like saying fewer cold weather cities have people who complain about shoveling snow than Cleveland.

Lots of cities with shitty weather. Lots of people live in those cities. People are mostly the same wherever you go.

Prove to me people from Cleveland complain more about their shitty weather than people from other cities complain about theirs.

The Oi said:

Ok. Prove it.

That's like saying fewer cold weather cities have people who complain about shoveling snow than Cleveland.

Lots of cities with shitty weather. Lots of people live in those cities. People are mostly the same wherever you go.

Prove to me people from Cleveland complain more about their shitty weather than people from other cities complain about theirs.

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It's been my own experience, there's obviously nothing to quantify that. I think given the self-loathing nature of this fan base is palpable, it's incessant and wholly preventable.

But that sells in Cleveland.

AZ_ said:

It's been my own experience, there's obviously nothing to quantify that. I think given the self-loathing nature of this fan base is palpable, it's incessant and wholly preventable.

But that sells in Cleveland.

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It's wholly avoidable if you provide the fans with a sustained, high quality product. It's not on the fans, they have zero control over what the sports teams give them.

Cleveland gets a good product for about 4-5 years every other decade, usually only one team at a time. When the Indians were on a run there were at first no Browns and then some horrible Browns. When the Cavs were on a run, the Browns remained horrible and the Indians made the playoffs once. The Browns haven't been good in 30 years, so they're the only constant.


Cleveland has the perfect storm of:

-Being an unappealing market to FA's by virtue of weather and geography

-A horrible football francise in a city where football is (Or was) king

-An uncanny series of heart-breaking losses by teams who appeared destined to win it all

-Blue collar fanbase that takes sports seriously

-A favorite target for national media

All that combined leaves the city with a highly unfulfilled fanbase. They are a function of the product they are given.

People are people. If you provided Detroit, Pittsburgh, St Louis, Philly, and Chicago with the same circumstances you'd have the same reaction. California teams are an exception...they'll just go to the beach. Same with Miami, but they don't give a shit in the first place. New Yorkers have a zillion things to do and a bunch of good teams and still find time to bitch about them.

Give me a blue collar city in a depressed area and give me mostly shitty sports teams and I'll give you fans that bitch about their teams.

That blue-collar stuff gets old quickly, it's almost like people use it as an excuse for the ignorance they show at times.

Fans everywhere are by and large terrible, uneducated.

My personal experience is that fans of Cleveland relish in that sadness at this point, despite a few franchises which continue to produce well.

Almost no franchises have such prolonged stretches of dominance you're suggesting they need to turn that pattern of self-loathing around.

So we are ranked 4th in the spring power rankings.........

Cleveland hasn't been blue collar in over two decades. That ended when the last of the city's major industry collapsed ( auto and steel). Considering how expensive pro sports attendance has become none of them have been ' blue collar' for about that long either.

All that is besides the point- the whole 'woe is us' thing has nothing to do with being blue collar or white collar but black studded collar. The fans get off on it. Sports are entertainment, and with the championship mentality that is still pushed despite over 30 franchises in each league, Clevelanders have chosen sadomasochism over looking for ways to enjoy a sport sans the faux pride felt when they win a title. But alas alot of this falls back on my own views that sports fandom in Merica is deranged to begin with so I'll just stop right here.

Well, if you won't give me blue collar then surely you'll give me depressed economic climate.

And so the argument is that several hundred thousand people would rather revel in the experience of having a shitty sports franchise than experience what the Pats, Steelers and Spurs have or even what the SF Giants, Cardinals or Seahawks have been doing?

Ok.

Win and there's nothing to complain about. People still blame the consumer instead of the manufacturer. You can't convince me to get angry with the consumer until they're being given a winner of a product. When Cleveland franchises have given the fans playoff teams, they've supported them. When they've been dominant fans have been happy and bitched minimally. And by golly...they seemed to enjoy the winning more thab the losing!

I'm not gonna go around and around on this because I'm certain you know I'm right and just don't like the answer.

Have a dynasty, they'll get more support.

We get it. It's stunning analysis.

Unfortunately, most other cities don't act the same.